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From: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
To: Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] qcow2: Skip copy-on-write when allocating a zero cluster
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 08:59:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200821125944.GC212879@bfoster> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <w51364gjkcj.fsf@maestria.local.igalia.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 01:42:52PM +0200, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> On Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:05:06 PM CEST, Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> > 1) off: for every write request QEMU initializes the cluster (64KB)
> >> >         with fallocate(ZERO_RANGE) and then writes the 4KB of data.
> >> > 
> >> > 2) off w/o ZERO_RANGE: QEMU writes the 4KB of data and fills the rest
> >> >         of the cluster with zeroes.
> >> > 
> >> > 3) metadata: all clusters were allocated when the image was created
> >> >         but they are sparse, QEMU only writes the 4KB of data.
> >> > 
> >> > 4) falloc: all clusters were allocated with fallocate() when the image
> >> >         was created, QEMU only writes 4KB of data.
> >> > 
> >> > 5) full: all clusters were allocated by writing zeroes to all of them
> >> >         when the image was created, QEMU only writes 4KB of data.
> >> > 
> >> > As I said in a previous message I'm not familiar with xfs, but the
> >> > parts that I don't understand are
> >> > 
> >> >    - Why is (4) slower than (1)?
> >> 
> >> Because fallocate() is a full IO serialisation barrier at the
> >> filesystem level. If you do:
> >> 
> >> fallocate(whole file)
> >> <IO>
> >> <IO>
> >> <IO>
> >> .....
> >> 
> >> The IO can run concurrent and does not serialise against anything in
> >> the filesysetm except unwritten extent conversions at IO completion
> >> (see answer to next question!)
> >> 
> >> However, if you just use (4) you get:
> >> 
> >> falloc(64k)
> >>   <wait for inflight IO to complete>
> >>   <allocates 64k as unwritten>
> >> <4k io>
> >>   ....
> >> falloc(64k)
> >>   <wait for inflight IO to complete>
> >>   ....
> >>   <4k IO completes, converts 4k to written>
> >>   <allocates 64k as unwritten>
> >> <4k io>
> >> falloc(64k)
> >>   <wait for inflight IO to complete>
> >>   ....
> >>   <4k IO completes, converts 4k to written>
> >>   <allocates 64k as unwritten>
> >> <4k io>
> >>   ....
> >> 
> >
> > Option 4 is described above as initial file preallocation whereas
> > option 1 is per 64k cluster prealloc. Prealloc mode mixup aside, Berto
> > is reporting that the initial file preallocation mode is slower than
> > the per cluster prealloc mode. Berto, am I following that right?
> 
> Option (1) means that no qcow2 cluster is allocated at the beginning of
> the test so, apart from updating the relevant qcow2 metadata, each write
> request clears the cluster first (with fallocate(ZERO_RANGE)) then
> writes the requested 4KB of data. Further writes to the same cluster
> don't need changes on the qcow2 metadata so they go directly to the area
> that was cleared with fallocate().
> 
> Option (4) means that all clusters are allocated when the image is
> created and they are initialized with fallocate() (actually with
> posix_fallocate() now that I read the code, I suppose it's the same for
> xfs?). Only after that the test starts. All write requests are simply
> forwarded to the disk, there is no need to touch any qcow2 metadata nor
> do anything else.
> 

Ok, I think that's consistent with what I described above (sorry, I find
the preallocation mode names rather confusing so I was trying to avoid
using them). Have you confirmed that posix_fallocate() in this case
translates directly to fallocate()? I suppose that's most likely the
case, otherwise you'd see numbers more like with preallocation=full
(file preallocated via writing zeroes).

> And yes, (4) is a bit slower than (1) in my tests. On ext4 I get 10%
> more IOPS.
> 
> I just ran the tests with aio=native and with a raw image instead of
> qcow2, here are the results:
> 
> qcow2:
> |----------------------+-------------+------------|
> | preallocation        | aio=threads | aio=native |
> |----------------------+-------------+------------|
> | off                  |        8139 |       7649 |
> | off (w/o ZERO_RANGE) |        2965 |       2779 |
> | metadata             |        7768 |       8265 |
> | falloc               |        7742 |       7956 |
> | full                 |       41389 |      56668 |
> |----------------------+-------------+------------|
> 

So this seems like Dave's suggestion to use native aio produced more
predictable results with full file prealloc being a bit faster than per
cluster prealloc. Not sure why that isn't the case with aio=threads. I
was wondering if perhaps the threading affects something indirectly like
the qcow2 metadata allocation itself, but I guess that would be
inconsistent with ext4 showing a notable jump from (1) to (4) (assuming
the previous ext4 numbers were with aio=threads).

> raw:
> |---------------+-------------+------------|
> | preallocation | aio=threads | aio=native |
> |---------------+-------------+------------|
> | off           |        7647 |       7928 |
> | falloc        |        7662 |       7856 |
> | full          |       45224 |      58627 |
> |---------------+-------------+------------|
> 
> A qcow2 file with preallocation=metadata is more or less similar to a
> sparse raw file (and the numbers are indeed similar).
> 
> preallocation=off on qcow2 does not have an equivalent on raw files.
> 

It sounds like preallocation=off for qcow2 would be roughly equivalent
to a raw file with a 64k extent size hint (on XFS).

Brian

> Berto
> 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-21 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-14 14:57 [PATCH 0/1] qcow2: Skip copy-on-write when allocating a zero cluster Alberto Garcia
2020-08-14 14:57 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Alberto Garcia
2020-08-14 18:07   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-08-14 18:06 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-08-17 10:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-17 15:31   ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-17 15:53     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-17 15:58       ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-17 18:18       ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-18  8:18         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 14:25       ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-19 15:07         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 15:37           ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-19 15:53             ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-19 17:53           ` Brian Foster
2020-08-20 20:03             ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-20 21:58               ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-21 11:05                 ` Brian Foster
2020-08-21 11:42                   ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-21 12:12                     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-21 17:02                       ` Brian Foster
2020-08-25 12:24                         ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-25 16:54                           ` Brian Foster
2020-08-25 17:18                             ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-25 19:47                               ` Brian Foster
2020-08-26 18:34                                 ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-27 16:47                                   ` Brian Foster
2020-08-23 21:59                       ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-24 20:14                         ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-21 12:59                     ` Brian Foster [this message]
2020-08-21 15:51                       ` Alberto Garcia
2020-08-23 22:16                       ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-21 16:09                 ` Alberto Garcia

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