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Thu, 10 Sep 2020 10:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 11:45:52 +0100 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Peter Maydell Subject: Re: [RFC] QEMU as Xcode project on macOS Message-ID: <20200910104552.GH1083348@redhat.com> References: <2764135.D4k31Gy3CM@silver> <2421928.3WNMogbLRJ@silver> <20200910093910.GG1083348@redhat.com> <4878996.4JzhbN1UZ4@silver> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.6 (2020-07-11) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=berrange@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.139.110.120; envelope-from=berrange@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-1.mimecast.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/10 01:23:25 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Cc: Thomas Huth , Liviu Ionescu , Christian Schoenebeck , QEMU Developers , G 3 , Gerd Hoffmann , Paolo Bonzini , Richard Henderson Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:35:46AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 11:14, Christian Schoenebeck > wrote: > > For developers it is actually the complete opposite on Mac: you start to > > install things from somewhere, then you need to install something from > > somewhere else, manually build & install stuff, and you end up in conflicts > > and misbehaviours all over the place. > > This has not been my experience -- homebrew has everything, and > it doesn't have problems like this. > > > The way to go for devs on Mac is: 3rd party libs should not be installed into > > global space, rather be built & linked either as dynamic frameworks (including > > assets) or as static libs. Then apps always run with the precise version and > > flags of libs they were tested with and never conflict with another app's > > version/config of libs. > > Does Apple (or anybody else) provide a framework for doing this > so that developers of individual applications can just say "my > app needs libs X, Y, Z" and they don't have to mess around > finding, figuring out how to compile, and shipping the sources of > libs X, Y, Z? If there's a better mechanism than Homebrew for this > that's great, but at the moment what you seem to be saying is > "you should do a lot more work to manually set something up where > you ship the sources to all your dependencies and then build them > all". There's no way we're ever going to do that, it is just > way too much work for very little gain. AFAICT both MacPorts and HomeBrew can be installed into custom locations, at least if you do a "from source" install of them, rather than using the pre-built packages. 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