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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, berto@igalia.com,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, jsnow@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	mreitz@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com, den@openvz.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, philmd@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] Fix accidental crash in iotest 30
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:10:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123101058.GA5317@merkur.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6d6b17b9-80d6-aa90-6e1b-f8519ae181cc@virtuozzo.com>

Am 20.11.2020 um 19:19 hat Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy geschrieben:
> 20.11.2020 20:22, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 20.11.2020 um 17:43 hat Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy geschrieben:
> > > 20.11.2020 19:36, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > Am 20.11.2020 um 17:16 hat Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy geschrieben:
> > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > 
> > > > > As Peter recently noted, iotest 30 accidentally fails.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I found that Qemu crashes due to interleaving of graph-update
> > > > > operations of parallel mirror and stream block-jobs.
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't found the time yet to properly look into this or your other
> > > > thread where you had a similar question, but there is one thing I'm
> > > > wondering: Why can the nested job even make progress and run its
> > > > completion handler?
> > > > 
> > > > When we modify the graph, we should have drained the subtree in
> > > > question, so in theory while one job finishes and modifies the graph,
> > > > there should be no way for the other job to make progress and get
> > > > interleaved - it shouldn't be able to start I/O requests and much less
> > > > to run its completion handler and modify the graph.
> > > > 
> > > > Are we missing drained sections somewhere or do they fail to achieve
> > > > what I think they should achieve?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It all looks like both jobs are reached their finish simultaneously.
> > > So, all progress is done in both jobs. And they go concurrently to
> > > completion procedures which interleaves. So, there no more io through
> > > blk, which is restricted by drained sections.
> > 
> > They can't be truly simultaneous because they run in the same thread.
> > During job completion, this is the main thread.
> 
> No, they not truly simultaneous, but completions may interleave
> through nested aio_poll loops.
> 
> > 
> > However as soon as job_is_completed() returns true, it seems we're not
> > pausing the job any more when one of its nodes gets drained.
> > 
> > Possibly also relevant: The job->busy = false in job_exit(). The comment
> > there says it's a lie, but we might deadlock otherwise.
> > 
> > This problem will probably affect other callers, too, which drain a
> > subtree and then resonably expect that nobody will modify the graph
> > until they end the drained section. So I think the problem that we need
> > to address is that jobs run their completion handlers even though they
> > are supposed to be paused by a drain.
> 
> Hmm. I always thought about drained section as about thing that stops
> IO requests, not other operations.. And we do graph modifications in
> drained section to avoid in-flight IO requests during graph
> modification.

Is there any use for an operation that only stops I/O, but doesn't
prevent graph changes?

I always understood it as a request to have exclusive access to a
subtree, so that nobody else would touch it.

> > I'm not saying that your graph modification locks are a bad idea, but
> > they are probably not a complete solution.
> > 
> 
> Hmm. What do you mean? It's of course not complete, as I didn't
> protect every graph modification procedure.. But if we do protect all
> such things and do graph modifications always under this mutex, it
> should work I think.

What I mean is that not only graph modifications can conflict with each
other, but most callers of drain_begin/end will probably not be prepared
for the graph changing under their feet, even if they don't actively
change the graph themselves.

Kevin



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-23 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-20 16:16 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Fix accidental crash in iotest 30 Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:16 ` [PATCH 1/5] abort-on-set-to-true Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:16 ` [PATCH 2/5] iotest-30-shorten: concentrate on failing test case Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:16 ` [PATCH 3/5] scripts/block-coroutine-wrapper.py: allow more function types Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:16 ` [PATCH 4/5] block: move some mirror and stream handlers to coroutine Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:16 ` [PATCH 5/5] block: protect some graph-modifyng things by mutex Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:27 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] Fix accidental crash in iotest 30 no-reply
2020-11-20 16:35   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 16:36 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-20 16:43   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-20 17:22     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-20 18:19       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-23 10:10         ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2020-11-23 10:29           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-11-23 11:10             ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-23 13:44               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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