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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	lvivier@redhat.com, thuth@redhat.com, pkrempa@redhat.com,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/18] qapi/qom: QAPIfy object-add
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:30:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201130153051.GG2039965@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01d32c8c-5023-6323-bed8-ede08f6ac8a3@redhat.com>

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 03:58:23PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 30/11/20 13:25, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > This series adds a QAPI type for the properties of all user creatable
> > QOM types and finally makes QMP object-add use the new ObjectOptions
> > union so that QAPI introspection can be used for user creatable objects.
> > 
> > After this series, there is least one obvious next step that needs to be
> > done: Change HMP and all of the command line parser to use
> > ObjectOptions, too, so that the QAPI schema is consistently enforced in
> > all external interfaces. I am planning to send another series to address
> > this.
> > 
> > In a third step, we can try to start deduplicating and integrating things
> > better between QAPI and the QOM implementation, e.g. by generating parts
> > of the QOM boilerplate from the QAPI schema.
> 
> With this series it's basically pointless to have QOM properties at all.
> Instead, you are basically having half of QEMU's backend data model into a
> single struct.
> 
> So the question is, are we okay with shoveling half of QEMU's backend data
> model into a single struct?  If so, there are important consequences.


In theory they should have the same set of options, but nothing in
this series will enforce that. So we're introducing the danger that
QMP object-add will miss some property, and thus be less functional
than the CLI -object.  If we convert CLI -object  to use the QAPI
parser too, we eliminate that danger, but we still have the struct
duplication.

> 1) QOM basically does not need properties anymore except for devices and
> machines (accelerators could be converted to QAPI as well). All
> user-creatable objects can be changed to something like chardev's "get a
> struct and use it fill in the fields", and only leave properties to devices
> and machines.
> 
> 2) User-creatable objects can have a much more flexible schema.  This means
> there's no reason to have block device creation as its own command and
> struct for example.
> 
> The problem with this series is that you are fine with deduplicating things
> as a third step, but you cannot be sure that such deduplication is possible
> at all.  So while I don't have any problems in principle with the
> ObjectOptions concept, I don't think it should be committed without a clear
> idea of how to do the third step.

I feel like we should at least aim to kill the struct duplication, even if
we ignore the bigger QOM stuff like setters/getters/constructors/etc. The
generated structs are not far off being usable.

eg for the secret object we have the QAPI schema

{ 'struct': 'SecretCommonProperties',
  'data': { '*loaded': { 'type': 'bool', 'features': ['deprecated'] },
            '*format': 'QCryptoSecretFormat',
            '*keyid': 'str',
            '*iv': 'str' } }

{ 'struct': 'SecretProperties',
  'base': 'SecretCommonProperties',
  'data': { '*data': 'str',
            '*file': 'str' } }

IIUC this will resulting in a QAPI generated flattened struct:

  struct SecretProperties {
    bool loaded;
    QCryptoSecretFormat format;
    char *keyid;
    char *iv;
    char *data;
    char *file;
  };

vs the QOM manually written structs

  struct QCryptoSecretCommon {
    Object parent_obj;
    uint8_t *rawdata;
    size_t rawlen;
    QCryptoSecretFormat format;
    char *keyid;
    char *iv;
  };

  struct QCryptoSecret {
    QCryptoSecretCommon parent_obj;
    char *data;
    char *file;
  };

The key differences

 - The parent struct is embedded, rather than flattened
 - The "loaded" property doesn't need to exist
 - Some extra fields are live state (rawdata, rawlen)

Lets pretend we just kill "loaded" entirely, so ignore that.

We could simply make QOM "Object" a well known built-in type, so
we can reference it as a "parent". Then any struct with "Object"
as a parent could use struct embedding rather flattening and thus
just work.

Can we invent a "state" field for fields that are internal
only, separate from the public "data" fields.

eg the secret QAPI def would only need a couple of changes:

{ 'struct': 'QCryptoSecretCommon',
  'base': 'Object',
  'state': { 'rawdata': '*uint8_t',
             'rawlen': 'size_t' },
  'data': { '*format': 'QCryptoSecretFormat',
            '*keyid': 'str',
            '*iv': 'str' } }

{ 'struct': 'QCryptoSecret',
  'base': 'QCryptoSecretCommon',
  'data': { '*data': 'str',
            '*file': 'str' } }

There would need to be a

   void QCryptoSecretCommonFreeState(QCryptoSecretCommon *obj)

method defined manually by the programmer to take care of free'ing any
pointers in the "state".

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-30 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-30 12:25 [PATCH 00/18] qapi/qom: QAPIfy object-add Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 01/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for iothread Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 15:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 15:54     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 02/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for authz-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 03/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for cryptodev-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 04/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for dbus-vmstate Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 05/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for memory-backend-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 06/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for rng-*, deprecate 'opened' Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 07/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for throttle-group Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 08/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for secret*, deprecate 'loaded' Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 09/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for tls-*, " Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 10/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for can-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 11/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for colo-compare Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 12/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for filter-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 13/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for pr-manager-helper Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 14/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for sev-guest Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 15/18] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for input-* Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 16/18] tests: Drop 'props' from object-add calls Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 17/18] qapi/qom: Drop deprecated 'props' from object-add Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 12:25 ` [PATCH 18/18] qapi/qom: QAPIfy object-add Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 14:58 ` [PATCH 00/18] " Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 15:30   ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2020-11-30 16:13     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 16:52       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-11-30 16:32     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01  8:36       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-11-30 15:46   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 16:57     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 18:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-11-30 19:35         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01 16:20           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-01 17:16             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01 18:28               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-01 19:35               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-01 21:23                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01 22:08                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-02  9:30                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-02 10:38                       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-02 12:30                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-02 12:51                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-02 13:26                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-02 13:54                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-02 15:17                             ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-02 16:05                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-02 17:35                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-02 19:45                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-03  6:46                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-12-03 14:58                                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-03 11:11                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-03 15:15                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-03 16:50                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-03 17:43                                         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-03 18:01                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-03 17:52                                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-03 18:10                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-03 18:19                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-12-02 10:27                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-12-02 12:41                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 18:58 ` Peter Krempa

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