Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] x86 CPU feature +/- fiddling and +kvm-no-defaults

[Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>]

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:41:42 +0000
Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 11:35:18AM -0500, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 04:28:26PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:  
> > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 02:22:05PM +0000, David Edmondson wrote:  
> > > > Currently "-cpu -feature,+feature" will disable -feature, which seems
> > > > contrary to the intention of the user. Fix this such that the later
> > > > flag wins. There are no changes to the interaction of +/- and =on/=off.  
> > > 
> > > The -feature/+feature syntax is the legacy  way of configuring
> > > features, with feature=on|off being the preferred, since that matches
> > > the general QEMU standard for boolean properties.
> > > 
> > > Your proposed change in ordering of + vs - makes conceptual sense, but
> > > it is none the less a semantic change in behaviour that may well cause
> > > breakage for existing deployed VMs. This impacts guest ABI so could
> > > particularly cause live migration problems.
> > > 
> > > IOW, we should have implemented it the way you propose in the first
> > > place, but I don't think it is safe to change it now, unless you can
> > > tie that new semantic to a machine type version.
> > > 
> > > Before we consider that though, Paolo has just deprecated many of the
> > > legacy approaches for boolean properties in this:
> > > 
> > >   https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2021-01/msg04341.html
> > > 
> > > I'm inclined to say that we just follow on from that and finally
> > > deprecate the +feature/-feature CPU syntax which we're already considering
> > > legacy. This would remove the need to care about changing its behaviour  
> > 
> > I believe we had multiple proposal in the past do deprecate
> > +feature/-feature, but there were objections.  I couldn't find
> > the original threads, though.  
> 
> Historically libvirt was using +/- syntax, but we finally removed the last
> usage of it in June 2019 / libvirt v5.4.0. So for modern QEMU libvirt will
> always use =on|off.
there are KVM unit tests that used /- syntax, I don't recall any attempt
to switch to canonical syntax.

> 
> > In either case, I thought we had already deprecated the weird
> > ordering rules of "-feature,+feature".  
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel