From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
qemu-s390x <qemu-s390x@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: getting the console output for s390 cdrom-test?
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 18:24:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210209182400.4fe15232.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_u7eKMyKKLf1sdMOgW7OPRt9hXiv5aDkfyfJcOfM6XFA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 17:17:19 +0000
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 17:10, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:58:53 +0000
> > Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> > > This change significantly reduces the frequency with which I see
> > > the hang; but it doesn't get rid of it altogether. Also I couldn't
> > > really figure out from the virtio spec exactly where barriers
> > > were required: I think I would need to read the whole thing in
> > > more detail rather than trying to fish out the information by
> > > just reading small pieces of it.
> >
> > The Linux virtio-ccw code uses 'weak barriers', i.e. the heavy bcr15
> > should not be needed. We might well miss other (lightweight) barriers
> > in other parts of the code part, though.
>
> Is that the version the Linux kernel has as
> /* Fast-BCR without checkpoint synchronization */
> #define __ASM_BARRIER "bcr 14,0\n"
>
> ?
No, just a simple memory barrier in most places (bcr15 and bcr14 do
serialization).
>
> > > But some of the ordering of
> > > operations the spec describes doesn't match how the s390-ccw
> > > BIOS code is doing it at all (eg the spec says that when feeding
> > > a batch of descriptors to the device the driver isn't supposed to
> > > update the flags on the first descriptor until it's finished
> > > writing all of the descriptors, but the code doesn't seem to
> > > try to do that). So I think the code could use an overhaul from
> > > somebody with a better understanding of virtio than me...
> >
> > Yeah, the bios virtio code could probably use some love.
> >
> > I'm wondering how much memory ordering on the host platform influences
> > things. I doubt many people try to run an s390x guest on an aarch64
> > host...
>
> Yes, you won't see this bug unless you're running QEMU on a
> host that's pretty enthusiastic about reordering memory
> transactions (and you'd never have seen it at all back when
> we ran the iothread actions synchronously with the emulated
> CPU, which we probably did back in 2013 when the s390-ccw
> virtio code was written...) I haven't tested other aarch64
> hosts but I would be unsurprised to find that whether you
> could repro it and how frequently depended on the particular
> h/w implementation.
I guess that hardly any s390x guests run on hw that's not either s390x
or x86...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-09 17:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-22 20:32 getting the console output for s390 cdrom-test? Peter Maydell
2021-02-04 16:08 ` Thomas Huth
2021-02-08 10:27 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-08 11:34 ` Thomas Huth
2021-02-08 12:08 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-09 14:58 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-09 17:10 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-09 17:17 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-09 17:24 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-02-09 18:25 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-12 11:44 ` Thomas Huth
2021-02-12 12:05 ` Peter Maydell
2021-02-12 14:10 ` Thomas Huth
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