From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
Den Lunev <den@openvz.org>, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Andrey Gruzdev <andrey.gruzdev@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 0/5] UFFD write-tracking migration/snapshots
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:11:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210212161125.GH157159@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79c3ebb9-82ba-4714-0cf1-9f2e08eff660@redhat.com>
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:52:52AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 12.02.21 04:06, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 10:09:58PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > The issue is when the discard happened before starting the snapshot. Write-protection won‘t work and the zeroed content won‘t be retained in the snapshot.
> >
> > I see what you mean now, and iiuc it will only be a problem if init_on_free=1.
> > I think CONFIG_INIT_ON_FREE_DEFAULT_ON should be off for most distros, so the
>
> Yes, some distros seem to enable init_on_alloc instead. Looking at the
> introducing commit 6471384af2a6 ("mm: security: introduce init_on_alloc=1
> and init_on_free=1 boot options") there are security use cases and it might
> become important with memory tagging.
>
> Note that in Linux, there was also the option to poison pages with 0,
> removed via f289041ed4cf ("mm, page_poison: remove
> CONFIG_PAGE_POISONING_ZERO"), available in some kernels that supported free
> page reporting.
>
> It got removed and use cases got told to use init_on_free.
>
> > impact should be small, I think. I thought about it, but indeed I didn't see a
> > good way to fix this if without fixing the zero page copy for live snapshot.
>
> We should really document this (unexpected) behavior of snapshotting.
> Otherwise, the next feature comes around that relies on pages that were
> discarded to remain zeroed (I even have one in mind ;) ) and forgets to
> disable snapshots.
Agreed. I'll see whether Andrey would have any idea to workaround this, or
further comment. Or I can draft a patch to document this next week (or unless
Andrey would beat me to it :).
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-12 16:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-21 15:24 [PATCH v13 0/5] UFFD write-tracking migration/snapshots andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-01-21 15:24 ` [PATCH v13 1/5] migration: introduce 'background-snapshot' migration capability andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-01-21 15:24 ` [PATCH v13 2/5] migration: introduce UFFD-WP low-level interface helpers andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-01-21 15:24 ` [PATCH v13 3/5] migration: support UFFD write fault processing in ram_save_iterate() andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-01-21 15:24 ` [PATCH v13 4/5] migration: implementation of background snapshot thread andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-01-28 18:29 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-29 8:17 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-01-21 15:24 ` [PATCH v13 5/5] migration: introduce 'userfaultfd-wrlat.py' script andrey.gruzdev--- via
2021-02-09 12:37 ` [PATCH v13 0/5] UFFD write-tracking migration/snapshots David Hildenbrand
2021-02-09 18:38 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-09 19:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-09 20:09 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-09 20:31 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-11 9:21 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-11 17:18 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-11 18:15 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-11 16:19 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-11 17:32 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-11 18:28 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-11 19:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-11 20:31 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-11 20:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-11 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-11 21:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12 3:06 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-12 8:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12 16:11 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2021-02-13 9:34 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-13 10:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-16 23:35 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-17 10:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19 6:57 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-19 7:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19 20:50 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-19 21:10 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-19 21:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19 21:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-19 22:47 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-20 7:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-22 17:29 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-22 17:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-22 17:54 ` Peter Xu
2021-02-22 18:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-24 16:56 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-24 17:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-24 17:52 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-24 16:43 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-24 16:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-24 17:00 ` Andrey Gruzdev
2021-02-11 19:21 ` David Hildenbrand
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