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envelope-from=jgg@nvidia.com; helo=NAM02-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.697, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 May 2021 12:32:36 -0400 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 04:23:40PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > Just my 2cents from drm (where we deprecate old gunk uapi quite often): > Imo it's best to keep the uapi headers as-is, but exchange the > documentation with a big "this is removed, never use again" warning: We in RDMA have been doing the opposite, the uapi headers are supposed to reflect the current kernel. This helps make the kernel understandable. When userspace needs backwards compat to ABI that the current kernel doesn't support then userspace has distinct copies of that information in some compat location. It has happened a few times over the last 15 years. We keep full copies of the current kernel headers in the userspace source tree, when the kernel headers change in a compile incompatible way we fix everything while updating to the new kernel headers. > - it's good to know which uapi numbers (like parameter extensions or > whatever they are in this case) are defacto reserved, because there are > binaries (qemu in this) that have code acting on them out there. Numbers and things get marked reserved or the like > Anyway feel free to ignore since this might be different than drivers/gpu. AFAIK drives/gpu has a lot wider userspace, rdma manages this OK because we only have one library package that provides the user/kernel interface. Jason