qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Sebastien Boeuf" <sebastien.boeuf@intel.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Ani Sinha" <ani@anisinha.ca>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Hui Zhu" <teawater@gmail.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/12] virtio-mem: Expose device memory via multiple memslots
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 05:21:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211107051832-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6071d5f-d100-a128-9f66-a801436aa78a@redhat.com>

On Sun, Nov 07, 2021 at 10:21:33AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Let's not focus on b), a) is the primary goal of this series:
> 
> "
> a) Reduce the metadata overhead, including bitmap sizes inside KVM but
> also inside QEMU KVM code where possible.
> "
> 
> Because:
> 
> "
> For example, when starting a VM with a 1 TiB virtio-mem device that only
> exposes little device memory (e.g., 1 GiB) towards the VM initialliy,
> in order to hotplug more memory later, we waste a lot of memory on
> metadata for KVM memory slots (> 2 GiB!) and accompanied bitmaps.
> "
> 
> Partially tackling b) is just a nice side effect of this series. In the
> long term, we'll want userfaultfd-based protection, and I'll do a
> performance evaluation then, how userfaultf vs. !userfaultfd compares
> (boot time, run time, THP consumption).
> 
> I'll adjust the cover letter for the next version to make this clearer.

So given this is short-term, and long term we'll use uffd possibly with
some extension (a syscall to populate 1G in one go?) isn't there some
way to hide this from management? It's a one way street: once we get
management involved in playing with memory slots we no longer can go
back and control them ourselves. Not to mention it's a lot of
complexity to push out to management.

-- 
MST



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-07 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-27 12:45 [PATCH v1 00/12] virtio-mem: Expose device memory via multiple memslots David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 01/12] kvm: Return number of free memslots David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 02/12] vhost: " David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 13:36   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-27 13:37     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 14:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 14:11       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-27 15:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-27 15:45           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 16:11             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-27 16:51               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 03/12] memory: Allow for marking memory region aliases unmergeable David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 04/12] vhost: Don't merge unmergeable memory sections David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 05/12] memory-device: Move memory_device_check_addable() directly into memory_device_pre_plug() David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 06/12] memory-device: Generalize memory_device_used_region_size() David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 07/12] memory-device: Support memory devices that dynamically consume multiple memslots David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 08/12] vhost: Respect reserved memslots for memory devices when realizing a vhost device David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 09/12] memory: Drop mapping check from memory_region_get_ram_discard_manager() David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 10/12] virtio-mem: Fix typo in virito_mem_intersect_memory_section() function name David Hildenbrand
2022-12-28 14:05   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2022-12-28 14:06     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-12-28 14:07       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 11/12] virtio-mem: Set the RamDiscardManager for the RAM memory region earlier David Hildenbrand
2021-10-27 12:45 ` [PATCH v1 12/12] virtio-mem: Expose device memory via multiple memslots David Hildenbrand
2021-11-01 22:15 ` [PATCH v1 00/12] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-11-02  8:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 11:35     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-11-02 11:55       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 17:06         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-11-02 17:10           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-07  8:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-11-07  9:21               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-07 10:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-11-07 10:53                   ` David Hildenbrand

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20211107051832-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org \
    --to=mst@redhat.com \
    --cc=ani@anisinha.ca \
    --cc=david@redhat.com \
    --cc=dgilbert@redhat.com \
    --cc=ehabkost@redhat.com \
    --cc=f4bug@amsat.org \
    --cc=imammedo@redhat.com \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=peterx@redhat.com \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    --cc=richard.henderson@linaro.org \
    --cc=sebastien.boeuf@intel.com \
    --cc=stefanha@redhat.com \
    --cc=teawater@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).