From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "Dov Murik" <dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
"James Bottomley" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
"Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum" <tobin@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Don't add RNG seed to Linux cmdline for SEV guests
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 17:31:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230207173008-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+LOFgCuC9wjKpsL@zx2c4.com>
On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 07:17:58PM -0300, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 04:45:19PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 08:41:16AM +0000, Dov Murik wrote:
> > > Recent feature to supply RNG seed to the guest kernel modifies the
> > > kernel command-line by adding extra data at its end; this breaks
> > > measured boot with SEV and OVMF, and possibly signed boot.
> > >
> > > Specifically SEV doesn't miss this feature because it uses UEFI/OVMF
> > > which has its own way of getting random seed (not to mention that
> > > getting the random seed from the untrusted host breaks the confidential
> > > computing trust model).
> >
> > Nope - getting a random seed from an untrusted source should not break
> > anything assuming you also have some other randomness source.
> > If you don't then you have other problems.
> >
> > > Disable the RNG seed feature in SEV guests.
> > >
> > > Fixes: eac7a7791bb6 ("x86: don't let decompressed kernel image clobber setup_data")
> > > Reported-by: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Dov Murik <dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > There might be a need for a wider change to the ways setup_data entries
> > > are handled in x86_load_linux(); here I just try to restore the
> > > situation for SEV guests prior to the addition of the SETUP_RNG_SEED
> > > entry.
> > >
> > > Recent discussions on other (safer?) ways to pass this setup_data entry:
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/da39abab9785aea2a2e7652ed6403b6268aeb31f.camel@linux.ibm.com/
> > >
> > > Note that in qemu 7.2.0 this is broken as well -- there the
> > > SETUP_RNG_SEED entry is appended to the Linux kernel data (and therefore
> > > modifies and breaks the measurement of the kernel in SEV measured boot).
> > > A similar fix will be needed there (but I fear this patch cannot be
> > > applied as-is).
> >
> > So it's not a regression, is it?
>
> I think that note is actually wrong. There prior was the sev_enabled()
> check elsewhere, which should have worked. I remember we originally had
> that problem with 7.1 and fixed it. So this is a new issue. I'll take
> care of it.
>
> >
> > > ---
> > > hw/i386/x86.c | 2 +-
> > > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/hw/i386/x86.c b/hw/i386/x86.c
> > > index eaff4227bd..e65a83f8df 100644
> > > --- a/hw/i386/x86.c
> > > +++ b/hw/i386/x86.c
> > > @@ -1103,7 +1103,7 @@ void x86_load_linux(X86MachineState *x86ms,
> > > load_image_size(dtb_filename, setup_data->data, dtb_size);
> > > }
> > >
> > > - if (!legacy_no_rng_seed && protocol >= 0x209) {
> > > + if (!legacy_no_rng_seed && protocol >= 0x209 && !sev_enabled()) {
> > > setup_data_offset = cmdline_size;
> > > cmdline_size += sizeof(SetupData) + RNG_SEED_LENGTH;
> > > kernel_cmdline = g_realloc(kernel_cmdline, cmdline_size);
> > >
> > > base-commit: 6661b8c7fe3f8b5687d2d90f7b4f3f23d70e3e8b
> >
> > I am beginning to think we have been hasty here. no rng seed
> > should have been then default and requested with a flag.
> > Then we'd avoid all this heartburn - and SEV might not be the
> > only workload broken.
> > Maybe not too late. Jason - objections?
>
> Yes, highly object. If it's not here by default, it's completely useless
> from my perspective and I'll just stop working on this feature. There's
> no reason we can't make this work. It's turned out to have a lot of
> technical landmines, but that doesn't mean it's infeasible. I'll keep
> hammering away at it.
>
> Anyway, I'll send a v2 of this patch, and also address another thing
> left out of the previous fix.
>
> (And meanwhile, James and hpa@ seem to be having some discussion about
> introducing an even better mechanism; we'll see if that materializes.)
>
> Jason
OK I guess ... objections to a reverse flag disabling this?
Will at least allow a work-around for sev and friends ...
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-02-07 22:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-07 8:41 [PATCH] x86: Don't add RNG seed to Linux cmdline for SEV guests Dov Murik
2023-02-07 17:28 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-07 21:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 22:17 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-07 22:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-02-07 22:33 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-07 22:49 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 9:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 11:23 ` Dov Murik
2023-02-08 13:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 13:30 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 13:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 23:21 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-02-07 23:24 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 11:35 ` Dov Murik
2023-02-08 15:26 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-02-08 15:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 15:47 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 15:49 ` Dov Murik
2023-02-08 15:51 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 15:52 ` Dov Murik
2023-02-08 15:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-02-08 11:57 ` Dov Murik
2023-02-08 9:35 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-08 9:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 9:30 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-08 11:27 ` Dov Murik
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