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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Cc: "Avihai Horon" <avihaih@nvidia.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Maor Gottlieb" <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"Kirti Wankhede" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	"Tarun Gupta" <targupta@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/20] vfio/common: Record DMA mapped IOVA ranges
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:36:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230228133653.2f911490.alex.williamson@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <617b396a-d5e2-8c10-9717-1cc6fc9d43dd@oracle.com>

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:11:06 +0000
Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/2023 21:50, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:19:12 +0000
> > Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:  
> >> On 23/02/2023 21:05, Alex Williamson wrote:  
> >>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:37:10 +0000
> >>> Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:    
> >>>> On 22/02/2023 22:10, Alex Williamson wrote:    
> >>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 19:49:05 +0200
> >>>>> Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com> wrote:      
> >>>>>> From: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
> >>>>>> @@ -612,6 +665,16 @@ static int vfio_dma_map(VFIOContainer *container, hwaddr iova,
> >>>>>>          .iova = iova,
> >>>>>>          .size = size,
> >>>>>>      };
> >>>>>> +    int ret;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> +    ret = vfio_record_mapping(container, iova, size, readonly);
> >>>>>> +    if (ret) {
> >>>>>> +        error_report("vfio: Failed to record mapping, iova: 0x%" HWADDR_PRIx
> >>>>>> +                     ", size: 0x" RAM_ADDR_FMT ", ret: %d (%s)",
> >>>>>> +                     iova, size, ret, strerror(-ret));
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> +        return ret;
> >>>>>> +    }      
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there no way to replay the mappings when a migration is started?
> >>>>> This seems like a horrible latency and bloat trade-off for the
> >>>>> possibility that the VM might migrate and the device might support
> >>>>> these features.  Our performance with vIOMMU is already terrible, I
> >>>>> can't help but believe this makes it worse.  Thanks,
> >>>>>       
> >>>>
> >>>> It is a nop if the vIOMMU is being used (entries in container->giommu_list) as
> >>>> that uses a max-iova based IOVA range. So this is really for iommu identity
> >>>> mapping and no-VIOMMU.    
> >>>
> >>> Ok, yes, there are no mappings recorded for any containers that have a
> >>> non-empty giommu_list.
> >>>     
> >>>> We could replay them if they were tracked/stored anywhere.    
> >>>
> >>> Rather than piggybacking on vfio_memory_listener, why not simply
> >>> register a new MemoryListener when migration is started?  That will
> >>> replay all the existing ranges and allow tracking to happen separate
> >>> from mapping, and only when needed.
> >>>     
> >>
> >> The problem with that is that *starting* dirty tracking needs to have all the
> >> range, we aren't supposed to start each range separately. So on a memory
> >> listener callback you don't have introspection when you are dealing with the
> >> last range, do we?  
> > 
> > As soon as memory_listener_register() returns, all your callbacks to
> > build the IOVATree have been called and you can act on the result the
> > same as if you were relying on the vfio mapping MemoryListener.  I'm
> > not seeing the problem.  Thanks,
> >   
> 
> While doing these changes, the nice thing of the current patch is that whatever
> changes apply to vfio_listener_region_add() will be reflected in the mappings
> tree that stores what we will dirty track. If we move the mappings calculation
> necessary for dirty tracking only when we start, we will have to duplicate the
> same checks, and open for bugs where we ask things to be dirty track-ed that
> haven't been DMA mapped. These two aren't necessarily tied, but felt like I
> should raise the potentially duplication of the checks (and the same thing
> applies for handling virtio-mem and what not).
> 
> I understand that if we were going to store *a lot* of mappings that this would
> add up in space requirements. But for no-vIOMMU (or iommu=pt) case this is only
> about 12ranges or so, it is much simpler to piggyback the existing listener.
> Would you still want to move this to its own dedicated memory listener?

Code duplication and bugs are good points, but while typically we're
only seeing a few handfuls of ranges, doesn't virtio-mem in particular
allow that we could be seeing quite a lot more?

We used to be limited to a fairly small number of KVM memory slots,
which effectively bounded non-vIOMMU DMA mappings, but that value is
now 2^15, so we need to anticipate that we could see many more than a
dozen mappings.

Can we make the same argument that the overhead is negligible if a VM
makes use of 10s of GB of virtio-mem with 2MB block size?

But then on a 4KB host we're limited to 256 tracking entries, so
wasting all that time and space on a runtime IOVATree is even more
dubious.

In fact, it doesn't really matter that vfio_listener_region_add and
this potentially new listener come to the same result, as long as the
new listener is a superset of the existing listener.  So I think we can
simplify out a lot of the places we'd see duplication and bugs.  I'm
not even really sure why we wouldn't simplify things further and only
record a single range covering the low and high memory marks for a
non-vIOMMU VMs, or potentially an approximation removing gaps of 1GB or
more, for example.  Thanks,

Alex



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-28 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-22 17:48 [PATCH v2 00/20] vfio: Add migration pre-copy support and device dirty tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] migration: Pass threshold_size to .state_pending_{estimate, exact}() Avihai Horon via
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] vfio/migration: Refactor vfio_save_block() to return saved data size Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:10   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] vfio/migration: Add VFIO migration pre-copy support Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 20:58   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 15:25     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-23 21:16       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-26 16:43         ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 16:14           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-27 17:26             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-27 17:43               ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-01 18:49                 ` Avihai Horon
2023-03-01 19:55                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-01 21:12                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-01 22:39                       ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-06 19:01                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] vfio/common: Fix error reporting in vfio_get_dirty_bitmap() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] vfio/common: Fix wrong %m usages Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] vfio/common: Abort migration if dirty log start/stop/sync fails Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] vfio/common: Add VFIOBitmap and (de)alloc functions Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 21:40   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 15:27     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:09   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-01 18:56     ` Avihai Horon
2023-03-02 13:24     ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02 14:52       ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-02 16:30         ` Joao Martins
2023-03-04  0:23         ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] util: Add iova_tree_nnodes() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] util: Extend iova_tree_foreach() to take data argument Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] vfio/common: Record DMA mapped IOVA ranges Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 22:10   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 10:37     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 21:05       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 21:19         ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 21:50           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 21:54             ` Joao Martins
2023-02-28 12:11             ` Joao Martins
2023-02-28 20:36               ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2023-03-02  0:07                 ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02  0:13                   ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02 18:42                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03  0:19                     ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 16:58                       ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 17:05                         ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 19:14                           ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 19:40                             ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 20:16                               ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 23:47                                 ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 23:57                                   ` Joao Martins
2023-03-04  0:21                                     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] vfio/common: Add device dirty page tracking start/stop Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 22:40   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23  2:02     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 19:27       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 19:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 20:16           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 20:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-26 16:54               ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-23 15:36     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] vfio/common: Extract code from vfio_get_dirty_bitmap() to new function Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] vfio/common: Add device dirty page bitmap sync Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] vfio/common: Extract vIOMMU code from vfio_sync_dirty_bitmap() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] memory/iommu: Add IOMMU_ATTR_MAX_IOVA attribute Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] intel-iommu: Implement get_attr() method Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] vfio/common: Support device dirty page tracking with vIOMMU Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 23:34   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23  2:08     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 20:06       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 20:55         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 21:30           ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 22:33           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 23:26             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-24 11:25               ` Joao Martins
2023-02-24 12:53                 ` Joao Martins
2023-02-24 15:47                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-24 15:56                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-24 19:16                     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] vfio/common: Optimize " Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] vfio/migration: Query device dirty page tracking support Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] docs/devel: Document VFIO device dirty page tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:29   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-22 18:00 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] vfio: Add migration pre-copy support and device dirty tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 20:55 ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 10:05   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-23 15:07     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 10:24       ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-23 14:56   ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-24 19:26     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-26 17:00       ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 13:50         ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-01 19:04           ` Avihai Horon

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