From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
libvir-list@redhat.com, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>, Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>,
Li Zhijian <lizhijian@fujitsu.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Hailiang Zhang <zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
Subject: [PULL 03/38] migration/doc: How to migrate when hosts have different features
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:01:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231031090142.13122-4-quintela@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231031090142.13122-1-quintela@redhat.com>
Sometimes devices have different features depending of things outside
of qemu. For instance the kernel. Document how to handle that cases.
Acked-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Reviewed-by: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20231018112827.1325-4-quintela@redhat.com>
---
docs/devel/migration.rst | 97 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 97 insertions(+)
diff --git a/docs/devel/migration.rst b/docs/devel/migration.rst
index 6fe275b1ec..974505e4a7 100644
--- a/docs/devel/migration.rst
+++ b/docs/devel/migration.rst
@@ -1138,3 +1138,100 @@ machine types to have the right value::
+ { "virtio-blk-device", "num-queues", "1"},
...
};
+
+A device with diferent features on both sides
+---------------------------------------------
+
+Let's assume that we are using the same QEMU binary on both sides,
+just to make the things easier. But we have a device that has
+different features on both sides of the migration. That can be
+because the devices are different, because the kernel driver of both
+devices have different features, whatever.
+
+How can we get this to work with migration. The way to do that is
+"theoretically" easy. You have to get the features that the device
+has in the source of the migration. The features that the device has
+on the target of the migration, you get the intersection of the
+features of both sides, and that is the way that you should launch
+QEMU.
+
+Notice that this is not completely related to QEMU. The most
+important thing here is that this should be handled by the managing
+application that launches QEMU. If QEMU is configured correctly, the
+migration will succeed.
+
+That said, actually doing it is complicated. Almost all devices are
+bad at being able to be launched with only some features enabled.
+With one big exception: cpus.
+
+You can read the documentation for QEMU x86 cpu models here:
+
+https://qemu-project.gitlab.io/qemu/system/qemu-cpu-models.html
+
+See when they talk about migration they recommend that one chooses the
+newest cpu model that is supported for all cpus.
+
+Let's say that we have:
+
+Host A:
+
+Device X has the feature Y
+
+Host B:
+
+Device X has not the feature Y
+
+If we try to migrate without any care from host A to host B, it will
+fail because when migration tries to load the feature Y on
+destination, it will find that the hardware is not there.
+
+Doing this would be the equivalent of doing with cpus:
+
+Host A:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host
+
+Host B:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host
+
+When both hosts have different cpu features this is guaranteed to
+fail. Especially if Host B has less features than host A. If host A
+has less features than host B, sometimes it works. Important word of
+last sentence is "sometimes".
+
+So, forgetting about cpu models and continuing with the -cpu host
+example, let's see that the differences of the cpus is that Host A and
+B have the following features:
+
+Features: 'pcid' 'stibp' 'taa-no'
+Host A: X X
+Host B: X
+
+And we want to migrate between them, the way configure both QEMU cpu
+will be:
+
+Host A:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host,pcid=off,stibp=off
+
+Host B:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host,taa-no=off
+
+And you would be able to migrate between them. It is responsability
+of the management application or of the user to make sure that the
+configuration is correct. QEMU doesn't know how to look at this kind
+of features in general.
+
+Notice that we don't recomend to use -cpu host for migration. It is
+used in this example because it makes the example simpler.
+
+Other devices have worse control about individual features. If they
+want to be able to migrate between hosts that show different features,
+the device needs a way to configure which ones it is going to use.
+
+In this section we have considered that we are using the same QEMU
+binary in both sides of the migration. If we use different QEMU
+versions process, then we need to have into account all other
+differences and the examples become even more complicated.
--
2.41.0
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-31 9:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-31 9:01 [PULL 00/38] Migration 20231031 patches Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 01/38] migration/doc: Add contents Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 02/38] migration/doc: Add documentation for backwards compatiblity Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 04/38] migration/doc: We broke backwards compatibility Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 05/38] migration: Receiving a zero page non zero is an error Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 06/38] migration: Rename ram_handle_compressed() to ram_handle_zero() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 07/38] migration: Give one error if trying to set MULTIFD and XBZRLE Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 08/38] migration: Give one error if trying to set COMPRESSION " Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 09/38] migration: Remove save_page_use_compression() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 10/38] migration: Make compress_data_with_multithreads return bool Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 11/38] migration: Simplify compress_page_with_multithread() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 12/38] migration: Move busy++ to migrate_with_multithread Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 13/38] migration: Create compress_update_rates() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 14/38] migration: Export send_queued_data() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 15/38] migration: Move ram_flush_compressed_data() to ram-compress.c Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 16/38] migration: Merge flush_compressed_data() and compress_flush_data() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 17/38] migration: Rename ram_compressed_pages() to compress_ram_pages() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 18/38] migration/ram: Fix compilation with -Wshadow=local Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 19/38] migration: rename vmstate_save_needed->vmstate_section_needed Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 20/38] migration: set file error on subsection loading Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 21/38] qemu-iotests: Filter warnings about block migration being deprecated Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 22/38] migration: migrate 'inc' command option is deprecated Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 23/38] migration: migrate 'blk' " Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 24/38] migration: Deprecate block migration Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 25/38] migration: Deprecate old compression method Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 26/38] migration: Stop migration immediately in RDMA error paths Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 27/38] qemu-file: Don't increment qemu_file_transferred at qemu_file_fill_buffer Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 28/38] qemu_file: Use a stat64 for qemu_file_transferred Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 29/38] qemu_file: total_transferred is not used anymore Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 30/38] migration: Use the number of transferred bytes directly Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 31/38] qemu_file: Remove unused qemu_file_transferred() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 32/38] qemu-file: Remove _noflush from qemu_file_transferred_noflush() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 33/38] migration: migration_transferred_bytes() don't need the QEMUFile Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 34/38] migration: migration_rate_limit_reset() " Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 35/38] qemu-file: Simplify qemu_file_get_error() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 36/38] migration: Use migration_transferred_bytes() Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 37/38] migration: Remove transferred atomic counter Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 9:01 ` [PULL 38/38] qemu-file: Make qemu_fflush() return errors Juan Quintela
2023-10-31 23:31 ` [PULL 00/38] Migration 20231031 patches Stefan Hajnoczi
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