From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 044C1C48BC4 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rabmb-0003gP-EZ; Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:28:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1raX9V-0002E7-UG; Thu, 15 Feb 2024 03:31:30 -0500 Received: from mail.andi.de1.cc ([2a02:c205:3004:2154::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1raX9U-0005lr-Af; Thu, 15 Feb 2024 03:31:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kemnade.info; s=20220719; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mdYToYuDmh6OlwRD6Ej97k/1spumBy4m+atUuj+qy98=; b=vKwC6cNZjEDmW0ViWp1hf3tqE9 yo6U1M34Lj0sObd4osD1B7ykNVCDPgSw1bBmtIYRWlZcAhsxD4pgW/Mdf+p2vb6oEGb/7UwNj7sqs AJ2n6XTA7bPq164DfJpODrHHMuLwi4gwJaYLOLMAENs9TCTIxo08ySygVsDKeeZ26XxlaKo1UJmID NYtVT5GjUemWScsjCzCyfwUN7WdVg/ftxexJiFvP2tA2K9UBAWBRkoIpz0nx/gb5KXXrZkBUBmEKM B1ag33DesNwkdZse+VTfAZzwKerIhD46b22JpcIdkDlrmt8NErdiz4twj2s2CaOu+sLSBl+LGPF/D V5YG4V8g==; Received: from p2003010777002c001a3da2fffebfd33a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([2003:107:7700:2c00:1a3d:a2ff:febf:d33a] helo=aktux) by mail.andi.de1.cc with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1raX9I-009SKj-Ee; Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:31:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:31:13 +0100 From: Andreas Kemnade To: "Arnd Bergmann" Cc: "Dmitry Baryshkov" , "Linus Walleij" , paul.eggleton@linux.intel.com, "Andrea Adami" , "Guenter Roeck" , "Peter Maydell" , "QEMU Developers" , "open list:ARM TCG CPUs" , "Marcin Juszkiewicz" , "Aaro Koskinen" , "Janusz Krzysztofik" , "Tony Lindgren" , Linux-OMAP , "Daniel Mack" , "Robert Jarzmik" , "Haojian Zhuang" , "Stefan Lehner" Subject: Re: possible deprecation and removal of some old QEMU Arm machine types (pxa2xx, omap, sa1110) Message-ID: <20240215093113.5c58cabe@aktux> In-Reply-To: References: <7bd858a2-9983-4ddf-8749-09c9b2e261f9@roeck-us.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:c205:3004:2154::1; envelope-from=andreas@kemnade.info; helo=mail.andi.de1.cc X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:28:07 -0500 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 23:42:58 +0100 "Arnd Bergmann" wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024, at 13:26, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 at 23:22, Linus Walleij = wrote: =20 > >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:12=E2=80=AFPM Arnd Bergmann = wrote: =20 > >> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, at 16:36, Guenter Roeck wrote: =20 > >> > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 03:14:21PM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote: =20 > >> > >> Andrea Adami and Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov did the work in 2017 to > >> modernize it a bit, and Russell helped out. I was under the impression > >> that they only used real hardware though! =20 > > > > I used both Qemu and actual hardware (having collie, poodle, tosa and > > c860 that was easy). > > > > The biggest issue with Zaurus PDAs was that supporting interesting > > parts of the platform (PCMCIA, companion chips) required almost > > rebootstrapping of the corresponding drivers. > > E.g. I had a separate driver for the LoCoMo chip which worked properly > > with the DT systems. > > PCMCIA was a huuuge trouble and it didn't play well at all. The driver > > must be rewritten to use the component framework. =20 >=20 > If we want to actually go there, I think the best option for PCMCIA > support is likely to replace the entire "soc_common" pcmcia driver > with a simple drivers/pata/ storage driver and no support for > other cards. There was a driver until commit 38943cbd25a2 > ("ata: remove palmld pata driver") that could serve as an > template. >=20 hmm, main usage for PCMCIA/CF in those devices was often something else, not storage, at least on the IPAQ h2200. Wondering wether that road is actually good. When I was mainly using those devices, I was not good in mainlining things. I loved that daylight-visible display. Regards, Andreas=20