From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>,
Boaz Ben Shabat <bbenshab@redhat.com>,
Joe Mario <jmario@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] coroutine: cap per-thread local pool size
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:35:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240320133539.GA1190824@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZfnxSd4lseZuWoQ5@redhat.com>
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 08:10:49PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:55:10PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:43:32PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 02:34:29PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/util/qemu-coroutine.c b/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> > > > index 5fd2dbaf8b..2790959eaf 100644
> > > > --- a/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> > > > +++ b/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> > >
> > > > +static unsigned int get_global_pool_hard_max_size(void)
> > > > +{
> > > > +#ifdef __linux__
> > > > + g_autofree char *contents = NULL;
> > > > + int max_map_count;
> > > > +
> > > > + /*
> > > > + * Linux processes can have up to max_map_count virtual memory areas
> > > > + * (VMAs). mmap(2), mprotect(2), etc fail with ENOMEM beyond this limit. We
> > > > + * must limit the coroutine pool to a safe size to avoid running out of
> > > > + * VMAs.
> > > > + */
> > > > + if (g_file_get_contents("/proc/sys/vm/max_map_count", &contents, NULL,
> > > > + NULL) &&
> > > > + qemu_strtoi(contents, NULL, 10, &max_map_count) == 0) {
> > > > + /*
> > > > + * This is a conservative upper bound that avoids exceeding
> > > > + * max_map_count. Leave half for non-coroutine users like library
> > > > + * dependencies, vhost-user, etc. Each coroutine takes up 2 VMAs so
> > > > + * halve the amount again.
>
> Leaving half for loaded libraries, etc is quite conservative
> if max_map_count is the small-ish 64k default.
>
> That reservation could perhaps a fixed number like 5,000 ?
While I don't want QEMU to abort, once this heuristic is in the code it
will be scary to make it more optimistic and we may never change it. So
now is the best time to try 5,000.
I'll send a follow-up patch that reserves 5,000 mappings. If that turns
out to be too optimistic we can increase the reservation.
> > > > + */
> > > > + return max_map_count / 4;
> > >
> > > That's 256,000 coroutines, which still sounds incredibly large
> > > to me.
> >
> > Any ideas for tweaking this heuristic?
>
> The awkward thing about this limit is that its hardcoded, and
> since it is indeed a "heuristic", we know it is going to be
> sub-optimal for some use cases / scenarios.
>
> The worst case upper limit is
>
> num virtio-blk * num threads * num queues
>
> Reducing the number of devices isn't practical if the guest
> genuinely needs that many volumes.
>
> Reducing the threads or queues artificially limits the peak
> performance of a single disk handling in isolation, while
> other disks are idle, so that's not desirable.
>
> So there's no way to cap the worst case scenario, while
> still maximising the single disk performance possibilities.
>
> With large VMs with many CPUs and many disks, it could be
> reasonable to not expect a real guest to need to maximise
> I/O on every disk at the same time, and thus want to put
> some cap there to control worst case resource usage.
>
> It feels like it leans towards being able to control the
> coroutine pool limit explicitly, as a CLI option, to override
> this default hueristic.
>
> > > > + }
> > > > +#endif
> > > > +
> > > > + return UINT_MAX;
> > >
> > > Why UINT_MAX as a default ? If we can't read procfs, we should
> > > assume some much smaller sane default IMHO, that corresponds to
> > > what current linux default max_map_count would be.
> >
> > This line is not Linux-specific. I don't know if other OSes have an
> > equivalent to max_map_count.
> >
> > I agree with defaulting to 64k-ish on Linux.
>
>
>
> With regards,
> Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-20 13:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-18 18:34 [PATCH] coroutine: cap per-thread local pool size Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 13:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 13:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 14:23 ` Sanjay Rao
2024-03-19 13:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-19 16:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 17:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-19 17:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 20:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-19 17:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 20:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-20 13:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2024-03-20 14:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-21 12:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-21 16:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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