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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, sunnyzhyy@qq.com,
	vsementsov@yandex-team.ru, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 08/13] mirror: Allow QMP override to declare target already zero
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 11:23:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250512152342.GD141177@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250509204341.3553601-23-eblake@redhat.com>

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On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 03:40:25PM -0500, Eric Blake wrote:
> QEMU has an optimization for a just-created drive-mirror destination
> that is not possible for blockdev-mirror (which can't create the
> destination) - any time we know the destination starts life as all
> zeroes, we can skip a pre-zeroing pass on the destination.  Recent
> patches have added an improved heuristic for detecting if a file
> contains all zeroes, and we plan to use that heuristic in upcoming
> patches.  But since a heuristic cannot quickly detect all scenarios,
> and there may be cases where the caller is aware of information that
> QEMU cannot learn quickly, it makes sense to have a way to tell QEMU
> to assume facts about the destination that can make the mirror
> operation faster.  Given our existing example of "qemu-img convert
> --target-is-zero", it is time to expose this override in QMP for
> blockdev-mirror as well.
> 
> This patch results in some slight redundancy between the older
> s->zero_target (set any time mode==FULL and the destination image was
> not just created - ie. clear if drive-mirror is asking to skip the
> pre-zero pass) and the newly-introduced s->target_is_zero (in addition
> to the QMP override, it is set when drive-mirror creates the
> destination image); this will be cleaned up in the next patch.
> 
> There is also a subtlety that we must consider.  When drive-mirror is
> passing target_is_zero on behalf of a just-created image, we know the
> image is sparse (skipping the pre-zeroing keeps it that way), so it
> doesn't matter whether the destination also has "discard":"unmap" and
> "detect-zeroes":"unmap".  But now that we are letting the user set the
> knob for target-is-zero, if the user passes a pre-existing file that
> is fully allocated, it is fine to leave the file fully allocated under
> "detect-zeroes":"on", but if the file is open with
> "detect-zeroes":"unmap", we should really be trying harder to punch
> holes in the destination for every region of zeroes copied from the
> source.  The easiest way to do this is to still run the pre-zeroing
> pass (turning the entire destination file sparse before populating
> just the allocated portions of the source), even though that currently
> results in double I/O to the portions of the file that are allocated.
> A later patch will add further optimizations to reduce redundant
> zeroing I/O during the mirror operation.
> 
> Since "target-is-zero":true is designed for optimizations, it is okay
> to silently ignore the parameter rather than erroring if the user ever
> sets the parameter in a scenario where the mirror job can't exploit it
> (for example, when doing "sync":"top" instead of "sync":"full", we
> can't pre-zero, so setting the parameter won't make a speed
> difference).
> 
> Signed-off-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
> Acked-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
> 
> ---
> 
> v4: hoist earlier in series. QMP design is unchanged, but logic in
> mirror_dirty_init is different (in many aspects simpler, but now
> catering to "detect-zeroes":"unmap") so Acked-by on QMP kept, but
> Reviewed-by dropped.
> ---
>  qapi/block-core.json                   |  8 +++++++-
>  include/block/block_int-global-state.h |  3 ++-
>  block/mirror.c                         | 27 ++++++++++++++++++++++----
>  blockdev.c                             | 18 ++++++++++-------
>  tests/unit/test-block-iothread.c       |  2 +-
>  5 files changed, 44 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)

Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-12 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-09 20:40 [PATCH v4 00/13] Make blockdev-mirror dest sparse in more cases Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] block: Expand block status mode from bool to flags Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] file-posix, gluster: Handle zero block status hint better Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] block: Let bdrv_co_is_zero_fast consolidate adjacent extents Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] block: Add new bdrv_co_is_all_zeroes() function Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] iotests: Improve iotest 194 to mirror data Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] mirror: Minor refactoring Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] mirror: Pass full sync mode rather than bool to internals Eric Blake
2025-05-02 23:17   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-12 15:19   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] mirror: Allow QMP override to declare target already zero Eric Blake
2025-05-02 23:57   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-12 17:30     ` Eric Blake
2025-05-03  0:40   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-12 15:23   ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] mirror: Drop redundant zero_target parameter Eric Blake
2025-05-03  0:47   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-12 15:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-14 22:09   ` Eric Blake
2025-05-15  1:11     ` Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] mirror: Skip pre-zeroing destination if it is already zero Eric Blake
2025-05-03  0:51   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-12 18:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] mirror: Skip writing zeroes when target " Eric Blake
2025-05-12 18:43   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-13 21:37   ` Eric Blake
2025-05-14 15:37   ` Sunny Zhu
2025-05-14 16:30     ` Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] iotests/common.rc: add disk_usage function Eric Blake
2025-05-09 20:40 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] tests: Add iotest mirror-sparse for recent patches Eric Blake
2025-05-12 18:44   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-12 18:44 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Make blockdev-mirror dest sparse in more cases Stefan Hajnoczi
2025-05-13 22:00 ` [PATCH v4 14/13] mirror: Reduce I/O when destination is detect-zeroes:unmap Eric Blake
2025-05-14 13:20   ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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