From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Filip Hejsek" <filip.hejsek@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
"Amit Shah" <amit@kernel.org>,
"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
"Szymon Lukasz" <noh4hss@gmail.com>,
"Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner" <maxbr@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/10] virtio-console: notify about the terminal size
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 04:54:43 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250912045228-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMPe1vB3cZAlNBq1@redhat.com>
On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 09:50:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 04:41:02AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 05:39:45AM +0200, Filip Hejsek wrote:
> > > The goal of this series is to have a resizable terminal into a guest
> > > without having to set up networking and using, e.g. ssh.
> > >
> > > The virtio spec allows a virtio-console device to notify the guest about
> > > terminal resizes in the host. Linux Kernel implements the driver part of
> > > the spec. This series implement the device part in QEMU.
> > >
> > > This series adds support for a resizable terminal if a virtio console
> > > device is connected to the stdio backend.
> > >
> > > This series also introduces resize messages that can be sent over QMP to
> > > notify QEMU about the size of the terminal connented to some chardev.
> > > In the libvirt setting, it will allow to implement a resizable terminal
> > > for virsh console and other libvirt clients.
> > >
> > > This patch series was originally authored by Szymon Lukasz and submitted
> > > to qemu-devel about 5 years ago. The previous submission can be found at
> > > <https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2020-06/msg09591.html>.
> > > I have updated the patches to be compatible with latest master and made
> > > a few small changes of my own, including the addition of Windows support.
> > >
> > > Probably the most important change I made is the swapping of rows and
> > > cols fields in resize messages. I would like to hear some feedback on
> > > this change from reviewers. The problem is that for a long time, the
> > > Linux kernel used a different field order from what was specified in the
> > > virtio spec. The kernel implementation was apparently merged around 2010,
> > > while the virtio spec came in 2014, so when a previous version of this
> > > patch series was being discussed here on this mailing list in 2020, it
> > > was decided that QEMU should match the Linux implementation, and ideally,
> > > the virtio spec should be changed.
> > >
> > > However, recently, the Linux kernel implementation was changed to conform
> > > to the spec: <https://git.kernel.org/linus/5326ab737a47278dbd16ed3ee7380b26c7056ddd>.
> > > As a result, to be compatible with latest kernel releases, QEMU needs to
> > > also use the field order matching the specification. I have changed the
> > > patch to use the spec-compliant order, so it works correctly with latest
> > > kernels now.
> > >
> >
> > Well this is not in any release yet. If you want me to revert that
> > one, let me know ASAP. Maximilian?
> >
> > > That leaves the issue of older kernels. There are about 15 years' worth
> > > of kernel versions with the swapped field order, including the kernel
> > > currently shipped in Debian stable. The effects of the swapped dimensions
> > > can sometimes be quite annoying - e.g. if you have a terminal with
> > > 24 rows, this will be interpreted as 24 columns, and your shell may limit
> > > line editing to this small space, most of which will be taken by your
> > > prompt. The patch series in its current form provides no way to disable
> > > the console size functionality,
> >
> > Well I see the console-size property, no?
>
> At least in the case of libvirt managed VMs, this series does
> nothin by default, as they won't be using the 'stdio' chardev,
> they'll require libvirt to first wire up the new QMP command,
> and then apps using libvirt to call it. So in that sense, it'll
> take a while before the effects are seen by users.
>
> > > so users may end up worse off than if
> > > the functionality were not implemented at all.
> >
> > If we want to keep the Linux patch, the straight forward way is to send
> > the fix to stable@ then poke at Debian at al to fix their kernels.
> >
> > Another option is to make the property default to off, have
> > management turn it on when guest is up to date.
> >
> > But it really sounds like we should revert that Linux patch.
> > I posted a revert, pls comment.
>
> What about other non-Linux guest OS that may have correctly
> implemented the virtio spec ?
>
> At least FreeBSD appears to /not/ implemenmt resize at all:
>
> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/blob/main/sys/dev/virtio/console/virtio_console.c#L884
>
> Do we have a Windows impl of virtio-console with resize support ?
Windows seems to ignore it:
case VIRTIO_CONSOLE_RESIZE:
TraceEvents(TRACE_LEVEL_INFORMATION, DBG_PNP, "VIRTIO_CONSOLE_RESIZE id = %d\n", cpkt->id);
break;
> Any other places we should check ?
>
> With regards,
> Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-12 8:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-12 3:39 [PATCH v4 00/10] virtio-console: notify about the terminal size Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] chardev: add cols, rows fields Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] chardev: add CHR_EVENT_RESIZE Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] chardev: add qemu_chr_resize() Filip Hejsek
2025-09-18 8:45 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 9:31 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] char-mux: add support for the terminal size Filip Hejsek
2025-09-18 8:32 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 9:11 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] main-loop: change the handling of SIGWINCH Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] char-stdio: add support for the terminal size Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] qmp: add chardev-resize command Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 14:01 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-12 18:10 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-15 6:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-15 22:22 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-16 13:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-16 17:01 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-17 8:25 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] virtio-serial-bus: add terminal resize messages Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 13:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-12 15:02 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-18 8:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-18 8:51 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] virtio-console: notify the guest about terminal resizes Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 3:39 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] char-win-stdio: add support for terminal size Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 8:41 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] virtio-console: notify about the " Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-12 8:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-12 8:50 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-12 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-09-15 8:41 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-15 8:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-15 16:25 ` [PATCH] char-pty: add support for " Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-15 16:34 ` [PATCH v2] " Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-15 16:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-15 22:02 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-17 9:39 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-17 13:09 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-17 13:31 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 14:08 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-17 16:17 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 17:11 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-17 17:53 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 18:29 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-18 8:35 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-18 8:39 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 8:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-18 8:54 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 8:59 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-18 9:05 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 19:21 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-18 7:53 ` Maximilian Immanuel Brandtner
2025-09-18 8:10 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-12 14:24 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] virtio-console: notify about " Filip Hejsek
2025-09-15 23:02 ` Filip Hejsek
2025-09-15 23:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-17 18:32 ` Filip Hejsek
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