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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	eduardo@habkost.net, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com,
	philmd@linaro.org, wangyanan55@huawei.com, zhao1.liu@intel.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, farosas@suse.de, jinpu.wang@ionos.com,
	thuth@redhat.com, berrange@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] virtio-net: introduce strict peer feature check
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 11:47:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251113114710-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRYJRZyNrDcDzTuG@x1.local>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:37:25AM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:09:32AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 10:01:49AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > We used to clear features silently in virtio_net_get_features() even
> > > if it is required. This complicates the live migration compatibility
> > > as the management layer may think the feature is enabled but in fact
> > > not.
> > > 
> > > Let's add a strict feature check to make sure if there's a mismatch
> > > between the required feature and peer, fail the get_features()
> > > immediately instead of waiting until the migration to fail. This
> > > offload the migration compatibility completely to the management
> > > layer.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > 
> > This is not really useful - how do users know how to tweak their
> > command lines?
> > We discussed this many times.
> > To try and solve this you need a tool that will tell you how to start
> > VM on X to make it migrateable to Y or Z.
> > 
> > 
> > More importantly,
> > migration is a niche thing and breaking booting perfectly good VMs 
> > just for that seems wrong.
> 
> IMHO Jason's proposal is useful in that it now provides a way to provide
> ABI stablility but allows auto-ON to exist.
> 
> If we think migration is optional, we could add a migration blocker where
> strict check flag is set to OFF, as I mentioned in the email reply to Dan.
> As that implies the VM ABI is not guaranteed.
> 
> Thanks,


All you have to do is avoid changing the kernel and ABI is stable.
Downstreams already do this.

> > 
> > 
> > If you want to keep this off by default, and have management
> > enable this if it knows what it's doing, then I don't really
> > care.
> 
> -- 
> Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-13 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-07  2:01 [RFC PATCH] virtio-net: introduce strict peer feature check Jason Wang
2025-11-12 21:55 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13  0:31   ` Jason Wang
2025-11-13 15:51     ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13  8:53   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-11-13 15:58     ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 16:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-13 16:37   ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 16:47     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-11-13 17:12       ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 17:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-13 19:32           ` Peter Xu
2025-11-14  1:51             ` Jason Wang
2025-11-16  6:45               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-19  2:06                 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-19  6:31                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-14  5:48             ` Thomas Huth
2025-11-14  9:53               ` Jinpu Wang
2025-11-14 15:47               ` Peter Xu
2025-11-14  1:32           ` Jason Wang
2025-11-16  6:52             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-17  4:31               ` Jason Wang
2025-11-17  8:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-19  2:49                   ` Jason Wang
2025-11-19  8:07                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-20  1:45                       ` Jason Wang

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