From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
eduardo@habkost.net, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com,
philmd@linaro.org, wangyanan55@huawei.com, zhao1.liu@intel.com,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, farosas@suse.de, jinpu.wang@ionos.com,
thuth@redhat.com, berrange@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] virtio-net: introduce strict peer feature check
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 11:47:51 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251113114710-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRYJRZyNrDcDzTuG@x1.local>
On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:37:25AM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:09:32AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 10:01:49AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > We used to clear features silently in virtio_net_get_features() even
> > > if it is required. This complicates the live migration compatibility
> > > as the management layer may think the feature is enabled but in fact
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Let's add a strict feature check to make sure if there's a mismatch
> > > between the required feature and peer, fail the get_features()
> > > immediately instead of waiting until the migration to fail. This
> > > offload the migration compatibility completely to the management
> > > layer.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> >
> > This is not really useful - how do users know how to tweak their
> > command lines?
> > We discussed this many times.
> > To try and solve this you need a tool that will tell you how to start
> > VM on X to make it migrateable to Y or Z.
> >
> >
> > More importantly,
> > migration is a niche thing and breaking booting perfectly good VMs
> > just for that seems wrong.
>
> IMHO Jason's proposal is useful in that it now provides a way to provide
> ABI stablility but allows auto-ON to exist.
>
> If we think migration is optional, we could add a migration blocker where
> strict check flag is set to OFF, as I mentioned in the email reply to Dan.
> As that implies the VM ABI is not guaranteed.
>
> Thanks,
All you have to do is avoid changing the kernel and ABI is stable.
Downstreams already do this.
> >
> >
> > If you want to keep this off by default, and have management
> > enable this if it knows what it's doing, then I don't really
> > care.
>
> --
> Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-13 16:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-07 2:01 [RFC PATCH] virtio-net: introduce strict peer feature check Jason Wang
2025-11-12 21:55 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 0:31 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-13 15:51 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 8:53 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-11-13 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 16:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-13 16:37 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 16:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-11-13 17:12 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-13 17:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-13 19:32 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-14 1:51 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-16 6:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-19 2:06 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-19 6:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-14 5:48 ` Thomas Huth
2025-11-14 9:53 ` Jinpu Wang
2025-11-14 15:47 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-14 1:32 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-16 6:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-17 4:31 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-17 8:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-19 2:49 ` Jason Wang
2025-11-19 8:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-11-20 1:45 ` Jason Wang
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