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From: Laurent DESNOGUES <laurent.desnogues@wanadoo.fr>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] ARM CPU Speed simulated by Qemu?
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:44:37 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21288277.1158072277598.JavaMail.www@wwinf1515> (raw)

> Now, CPUs is where I have only a vague idea of what would be needed to 
> simulate. I know there are up to three levels of caches and main memory, 
> which all have different access times. The CPU itself has a pipeline and 
> branch prediction and such which could invalidate the contents of 
> pipeline up to a given point (of branching).
> 
> I think the most time consuming operation which should be properly 
> simulated is memory access. For this to work properly, all levels of 
> caches must be emulated, too.
> 
> How much do misses on the branch prediction level cost? How much 
> pipeline interlocks? I don't think those would be _that_ dramatic. Since 
> today's compilers are said to be optimizing quite well...

The most complex thing to accurately simulate a modern
CPU (including ARMs) is the data cache and by far.  In
comparison, getting accurate core pipeline simulation
is *very* easy.

There is a company that claims to be able to accurately
simulate an at 200 Mhz (http://www.vastsystems.com).  I
bet there are using statistical cycle counting and so
are probably very wrong :)


Laurent

             reply	other threads:[~2006-09-12 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-12 14:44 Laurent DESNOGUES [this message]
2006-09-12 14:58 ` [Qemu-devel] ARM CPU Speed simulated by Qemu? Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-12 17:42 ` K. Richard Pixley
2006-09-12 18:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Antti P Miettinen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-12 15:26 [Qemu-devel] " Laurent DESNOGUES
2006-09-12 15:08 Laurent DESNOGUES
2006-09-12 15:19 ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-12  0:17 [Qemu-devel] Re: qemu-system-sparc video problem on 16 bitdisplays Stuart Brady
2006-09-12  7:20 ` [Qemu-devel] ARM CPU Speed simulated by Qemu? Tieu Ma Dau
2006-09-12 11:03   ` nyos
2006-09-12 12:43   ` Paul Brook
2006-09-12 13:19     ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-12 13:39       ` Paul Brook
2006-09-12 14:21         ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-12 14:34           ` Paul Brook

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