From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E4AC43461 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA546207EA for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=crudebyte.com header.i=@crudebyte.com header.b="M2+jWwGi" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org BA546207EA Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=crudebyte.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:34768 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGIyb-0000QY-Br for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:34:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGIwg-0006Yd-6I for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:32:46 -0400 Received: from lizzy.crudebyte.com ([91.194.90.13]:60739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGIwb-0002Va-8G for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:32:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=crudebyte.com; s=lizzy; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From: Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=r4jlAeKMxz4zmcg9GTziYtnLyqQInHTBPUmMMvEbGZI=; b=M2+jWwGi2wJM9Edsh0XlV3to98 vWy+ySi2+CM6H5DaIjYRsMSy5neSblQnzeiHbeQjLNmoZ/24sYnWMGiruO6DnAo2z1jf0NQB60yDf sinNh+mcs0yYK9rvuhvrf7VcB8PxTLfeV6CPiL9YW/ieVoRb1j6HOpTHVwk4caQ5zFtTalsrPGQ27 HYIBmfRh3DUeFIfo6PK8mHm9TwPxklewoyObHcJQjkW29yuERnYR5GHYBDt8bAe4vBTf0k+HfZ6sU 5wFCn0ZHvN8+/c05S/Jndc9aIaWRl+WL58I050jHOOLTYrszvYv4vrcT+Sswbm6PxTe9uFvUZkCH1 cQDwkNQw==; From: Christian Schoenebeck To: Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=2E_Berrang=E9?= Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Peter Maydell , Thomas Huth , Liviu Ionescu , G 3 , Gerd Hoffmann , Paolo Bonzini , Richard Henderson Subject: Re: [RFC] QEMU as Xcode project on macOS Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 11:32:35 +0200 Message-ID: <2421928.3WNMogbLRJ@silver> In-Reply-To: <20200910073710.GA1083348@redhat.com> References: <2764135.D4k31Gy3CM@silver> <1695914.5EixHECA2G@silver> <20200910073710.GA1083348@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=91.194.90.13; envelope-from=qemu_oss@crudebyte.com; helo=lizzy.crudebyte.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/10 05:32:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Donnerstag, 10. September 2020 09:37:10 CEST Daniel P. Berrang=E9 wrote: > I don't think we want to be adding more 3rd party deps as submodules, qui= te > the opposite, we want to remove more submodules we currently have. >=20 > Bundling every important dep we use as a submodule and providing build > rules, means we're effectively re-inventing Homebrew / MacPorts and this = is > not a sane use of our time. Well, that's actually the whole point of this thread: saving developers' ti= me.=20 And I think the submodule solution is the most sane one. =46rankly if you compile FOSS software on Mac that asks you to "just" insta= ll=20 dependencies with Homebrew and co, it feels like you have 2 jobs: a softwar= e=20 developer, and a distribution maintainer. The difference to the submodule=20 though: a much larger amount of developers have to do that maintainer job=20 (manually resolving conflicts & crashes, rollbacks, etc.). Best regards, Christian Schoenebeck