From: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] handling emulation fine-grained memory protection
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 09:07:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <24d9856c-dd4e-70d1-5eaf-3f36e70fad72@twiddle.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_OcQY1V16Vi8Ld1iZprPUsq+OCML0udYzLhVToCUXt_g@mail.gmail.com>
On 07/03/2017 03:04 AM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> For the ARM v7M microcontrollers we currently treat their memory
> protection unit like a funny kind of MMU that only has a 1:1
> address mapping. This basically works but it means that we can
> only support protection regions which are a multiple of 1K in
> size and on a 1K address boundary (because that's what we define
> as the "page size" for it). The real hardware lets you define
> protection regions on a granularity down to 64 bytes (both size
> and address).
>
> So far we've got away with this, but I think only because the
> payloads we've tested haven't really used the MPU much or at all.
> With v8M I expect the MPU (and its secure/non-secure cousin the
> Security Attribution Unit) to be much more heavily used, so it
> would be nice if we could lift this limitation somehow.
>
> Does anybody have any good ideas for how this ought to be done?
> We could wind down the "page size" for these CPUs (since we
> now have runtime-configurable-page-size for ARM CPUs this
> shouldn't compromise the A profile cores which can stick to
> 1K or 4K pages) but I don't think we can get down as low as
> 64 bytes due to all the things we keep in the low bits of
> TLB entries.
It's close.. We need 3 bits that do not overlap any requested alignment.
Does the v7m profile have 8-byte aligned operations? I see that STREXD is out,
and I can't think of anything else. So bits 8, 16, 32 are up for grabs, which
does fit a 64-byte page minimum.
That said...
> I'm guessing we'd need to have "this page has fine grained
> protection regions" imply "take the slow path" and then do
> the protection check in the slow path. Alex Graf pointed out
> to me a while back that we already have a data structure for
> handling sub-page-sized things in the slow path (the subpage
> handling in the memory system), but can we easily (or otherwise)
> use it, or would it be simpler just to have a separate thing?
I think it would be simpler to have a separate thing, since the regular subpage
handling requires memory allocation.
I would just think about a bit, TLB_PROT_RECHECK or so, that not only takes the
slow path through the helper, but also the slow path back through tlb_fill.
Since these are defined by system registers, I can imagine there can only be a
few pages for which this fine grained handling might apply any any one time.
This would certainly be preferable to reducing the effectiveness of the entire
TLB by a factor of 16.
r~
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Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-07-03 10:04 [Qemu-devel] handling emulation fine-grained memory protection Peter Maydell
2017-07-03 16:07 ` Richard Henderson [this message]
2017-07-03 16:40 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-03 18:01 ` Richard Henderson
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