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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Dong Jia Shi <bjsdjshi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Pierre Morel <pmorel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] s390x: fix invalid use of cc 1 for SSCH
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:20:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24e87c3e-2674-8fc1-cd0a-94f4907ddc7d@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170905174606.1e0c6404.cohuck@redhat.com>



On 09/05/2017 05:46 PM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:24:19 +0200
> Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
>> My problem with a program check (indicated by SCSW word 2 bit 10) is
>> that, in my reading of the architecture, the semantic behind it is: The
>> channel subsystem (not the cu or device) has detected, that the 
>> the channel program (previously submitted as an ORB) is erroneous. Which
>> programs are erroneous is specified by the architecture. What we have
>> here does not qualify.
>>
>> My idea was to rather blame the virtual hardware (device) and put no blame
>> on the program nor he channel subsystem. This could be done using device
>> status (unit check with command reject, maybe unit exception) or interface
>> check. My train of thought was, the problem is not consistent across a
>> device type, so it has to be device specific.
> 
> Unit exception might be a better way to express what is happening here.
> At least, it moves us away from cc 1 and not towards cc 3 :)
> 

I will do a follow up patch pursuing device exception.

>>
>> Of course blaming the device could mislead the person encountering the
>> problem, and make him believe it's an non-virtual hardware problem.
>>
>> About the misleading, I think the best we can do is log out a message
>> indicating what really happened.
> 
> Just document it in the code? If it doesn't happen with Linux as a
> guest, it is highly unlikely to be seen in the wild.
> 


Well we have two problems here:
1) Unit exception can be already defined by the device type for the
command (reference: http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9ar110/2.6.10?DT=19920904110920).
I think this one is what you mean. And I agree that's best handled
with comment in code.
2) The poor user/programmer is trying to figure out why things
don't work (why are we getting the unit exception)? I think that's
best remedied with producing something for the log (maybe a warning
with warn_report which states that the implementation vfio-ccw requires
the given flags).

[..] 
>>>>>> @@ -1115,7 +1112,7 @@ static int do_subchannel_work(SubchDev *sch)
>>>>>>      if (sch->do_subchannel_work) {
>>>>>>          return sch->do_subchannel_work(sch);
>>>>>>      } else {
>>>>>> -        return -EINVAL;
>>>>>> +        return -ENODEV;    
>>>>>
>>>>> This rather seems like a job for an assert? If we don't have a function
>>>>> for the 'asynchronous' handling of the various functions assigned for a
>>>>> subchannel, that looks like an internal error.
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>> IMHO it depends. Aborting qemu is heavy handed, and as an user I would not
>>>> be happy about it. But certainly it is an assert situation.  We can look for
>>>> an even better solution, but I think this is an improvement. The logic behind
>>>> is that the device is broken and can't be talked to properly.  
>>>
>>> We currently don't have a vast array of subchannel types (and are
>>> unlikely to get more types that need a different handler function). We
>>> know the current ones are fine, and an assert would catch programming
>>> errors early.
>>>   
>>
>> Despite of that we already had a problem of this type: see 1728cff2ab
>> ("s390x/3270: fix instruction interception handler", 2017-06-09) by 
>> Dong Jia. If we had some automated testing covering all the asserts
>> I would not think twice about using an assert here. But I don't think
>> we do and I'm reluctant (not positive that assert is superior to what
>> we have now). Maybe we could agree on reported by again.
> 
> Yes, we (as in generally 'we') are really lacking automated testing...
> (it is somewhere on my todo list).
> 
> Either leave it as-is, or do an assert. -ENODEV just feels wrong.
> 

I think I will leave this one as is and maybe try to discuss with
the folks here about reliable test coverage. Just spoke with Marc H.,
and according to that we have a long way to go.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-05 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-30 16:36 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/9] Halil Pasic
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/9] s390x/css: fix cc handling for XSCH Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  5:51   ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-31  6:38     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-31  7:32       ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-31  8:42         ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-31 10:19           ` Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  9:09     ` Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  9:16       ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] s390x: fix invalid use of cc 1 for SSCH Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  7:50   ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-31 10:54     ` Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  9:19   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-31 10:41     ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-05  8:02       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-05 15:24         ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-05 15:46           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-05 17:20             ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2017-09-06  8:27               ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-06 11:25                 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-07  8:02                   ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-07 11:01                     ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-13 10:08                       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-13 14:05                         ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-06 11:37               ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-06  8:37             ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-06 11:38               ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/9] s390x/css: be more consistent if broken beyond repair Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  6:10   ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-31  7:44     ` Thomas Huth
2017-08-31  9:33   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/9] s390x: refactor error handling for SSCH and RSCH Halil Pasic
2017-08-31  9:55   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-05 15:55     ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-05 16:25       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-05 22:30         ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-06  4:31           ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-06 12:25             ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-06 14:20               ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-06 14:43                 ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-07  8:58                   ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-07 10:15                     ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-07 10:24                     ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-07 11:32                       ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-07 11:41                         ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-08  3:41                           ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-08  9:21                             ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-08  9:59                               ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-25  7:31                                 ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-25 10:57                                   ` Halil Pasic
2017-09-27  7:55                                     ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-09-08 10:02                             ` Cornelia Huck
2017-09-25  7:14                               ` Dong Jia Shi
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/9] s390x: refactor error handling for XSCH handler Halil Pasic
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/9] s390x: refactor error handling for CSCH handler Halil Pasic
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/9] s390x: refactor error handling for HSCH handler Halil Pasic
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/9] s390x: refactor error handling for MSCH handler Halil Pasic
2017-08-30 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 9/9] s390x: factor out common ioinst handler logic Halil Pasic
2017-08-31 10:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/9] Cornelia Huck
2017-08-31 10:43   ` Halil Pasic

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