From: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>
To: Phil Dennis-Jordan <phil@philjordan.eu>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, agraf@csgraf.de, peter.maydell@linaro.org,
pbonzini@redhat.com, rad@semihalf.com, quic_llindhol@quicinc.com,
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qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
qemu-riscv@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 02/15] hw/display/apple-gfx: Introduce ParavirtualizedGraphics.Framework support
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 23:02:02 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <27ced2db-472d-47ae-9047-9efc0b589a1e@daynix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAibmn3HZeDeK8FrYhHa1GGwc+N8rBuB2VvMRm7LCt0mUGmsYQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 2024/10/28 22:31, Phil Dennis-Jordan wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 at 10:00, Phil Dennis-Jordan <phil@philjordan.eu
> <mailto:phil@philjordan.eu>> wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Hmm. I think if we were to use that, we would need to
> create a new
> > > QemuEvent for every job and destroy it afterward,
> which seems
> > expensive.
> > > We can't rule out multiple concurrent jobs being
> submitted, and the
> > > QemuEvent system only supports a single producer as
> far as I can
> > tell.
> > >
> > > You can probably sort of hack around it with just one
> QemuEvent by
> > > putting the qemu_event_wait into a loop and turning
> the job.done
> > flag
> > > into an atomic (because it would now need to be
> checked outside the
> > > lock) but this all seems unnecessarily complicated
> considering the
> > > QemuEvent uses the same mechanism QemuCond/QemuMutex
> internally
> > on macOS
> > > (the only platform relevant here), except we can use it as
> > intended with
> > > QemuCond/QemuMutex rather than having to work against the
> > abstraction.
> >
> > I don't think it's going to be used concurrently. It
> would be difficult
> > to reason even for the framework if it performs memory
> > unmapping/mapping/reading operations concurrently.
> >
> >
> > I've just performed a very quick test by wrapping the job
> submission/
> > wait in the 2 mapMemory callbacks and the 1 readMemory
> callback with
> > atomic counters and logging whenever a counter went above 1.
> >
> > * Overall, concurrent callbacks across all types were
> common (many per
> > second when the VM is busy). It's not exactly a "thundering
> herd" (I
> > never saw >2) but it's probably not a bad idea to use a separate
> > condition variable for each job type. (task map, surface map,
> memory read)
> > * While I did not observe any concurrent memory mapping
> operations
> > *within* a type of memory map (2 task mappings or 2 surface
> mappings) I
> > did see very occasional concurrent memory *read* callbacks.
> These would,
> > as far as I can tell, not be safe with QemuEvents, unless we
> placed the
> > event inside the job struct and init/destroyed it on every
> callback
> > (which seems like excessive overhead).
>
> I think we can tolerate that overhead. init/destroy essentially
> sets the
> fields in the data structure and I estimate its total size is
> about 100
> bytes. It is probably better than waking an irrelevant thread
> up. I also
> hope that keeps the code simple; it's not worthwhile adding code to
> optimize this.
>
>
> At least pthread_cond_{init,destroy} and
> pthread_mutex_{init,destroy} don't make any syscalls, so yeah it's
> probably an acceptable overhead.
>
>
> I've just experimented with QemuEvents created on-demand and ran into
> some weird deadlocks, which then made me sit down and think about it
> some more. I've come to the conclusion that creating (and crucially,
> destroying) QemuEvents on demand in this way is not safe.
>
> Specifically, you must not call qemu_event_destroy() - which
> transitively destroys the mutex and condition variable - unless you can
> guarantee that the qemu_event_set() call on that event object has completed.
>
> In qemu_event_set, the event object's value is atomically set to EV_SET.
> If the previous value was EV_BUSY, qemu_futex_wake() is called. All of
> this is outside any mutex, however, so apart from memory coherence
> (there are barriers) this can race with the waiting thread.
> qemu_event_wait() reads the event's value. If EV_FREE, it's atomically
> set to EV_BUSY. Then the mutex is locked, the value is checked again,
> and if it's still EV_BUSY, it waits for the condition variable,
> otherwise the mutex is immediately unlocked again. If the trigger
> thread's qemu_event_set() flip to EV_SET occurs between the waiting
> thread's two atomic reads of the value, the waiting thread will never
> wait for the condition variable, but the trigger thread WILL try to
> acquire the mutex and signal the condition variable in
> qemu_futex_wake(), by which time the waiting thread may have advanced
> outside of qemu_event_wait().
Sorry if I'm making a mistake again, but the waiting thread won't set to
EV_BUSY unless the value is EV_FREE on the second read so the trigger
thread will not call qemu_futex_wake() if it manages to set to EV_SET
before the second read, will it?
>
> This is all fine usually, BUT if you destroy the QemuEvent immediately
> after the qemu_event_wait() call, qemu_futex_wake() may try to lock a
> mutex that has been destroyed, or signal a condition variable which has
> been destroyed. I don't see a reasonable way of making this safe other
> than using long-lived mutexes and condition variables. And anyway, we
> have much, MUCH bigger contention/performance issues coming from almost
> everything being covered by the BQL. (If waking these callbacks can even
> be considered an issue: I haven't seen it show up in profiling, whereas
> BQL contention very much does.)
>
> I'll submit v5 of this patch set with separate condition variables for
> each job type. This should make the occurrence of waking the wrong
> thread quite rare, while reasoning about correctness is pretty
> straightforward. I think that's good enough.
>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-28 14:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-24 10:27 [PATCH v4 00/15] macOS PV Graphics and new vmapple machine type Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:27 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] ui & main loop: Redesign of system-specific main thread event handling Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-25 4:34 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] hw/display/apple-gfx: Introduce ParavirtualizedGraphics.Framework support Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-25 6:03 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-25 19:43 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 4:40 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-26 10:24 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-28 7:42 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-28 9:00 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-28 13:31 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-28 14:02 ` Akihiko Odaki [this message]
2024-10-28 14:13 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-28 16:06 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-28 21:06 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-29 7:42 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-29 21:16 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-31 6:52 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-11-03 15:08 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] hw/display/apple-gfx: Adds PCI implementation Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 4:45 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] hw/display/apple-gfx: Adds configurable mode list Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 5:15 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] MAINTAINERS: Add myself as maintainer for apple-gfx, reviewer for HVF Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-11-05 15:36 ` Roman Bolshakov
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] hw: Add vmapple subdir Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] hw/misc/pvpanic: Add MMIO interface Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] hvf: arm: Ignore writes to CNTP_CTL_EL0 Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] gpex: Allow more than 4 legacy IRQs Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 5:21 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] hw/vmapple/aes: Introduce aes engine Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 5:40 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] hw/vmapple/bdif: Introduce vmapple backdoor interface Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] hw/vmapple/cfg: Introduce vmapple cfg region Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 5:48 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] hw/vmapple/virtio-blk: Add support for apple virtio-blk Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 6:02 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] hw/block/virtio-blk: Replaces request free function with g_free Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 6:03 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-24 10:28 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] hw/vmapple/vmapple: Add vmapple machine type Phil Dennis-Jordan
2024-10-26 6:20 ` Akihiko Odaki
2024-10-26 11:58 ` Phil Dennis-Jordan
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