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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Claudio Fontana" <cfontana@suse.de>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] target/arm: Restrict v7A TCG cpus to TCG accel
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:31:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28540fd5-3bd3-30d7-624d-da21d0f39806@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA8YybFf1=wQ7-scC2JnQEHr9nx0LBvt16dTBOXV0KuMAg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/18/21 12:21 PM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 11:09, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Still, I'm not sure it makes sense. If you want to migrate a such
>> machine, KVM can not virtualize it, so you'll be forced to use TCG
>> right? In that case cpu_tcg is built in and you have the A15.
>>
>> IOW the problem is not this patch, it is that since 82bf7ae84ce we
>> can not migrate A15.
> 
> Do you mean "we can't migrate a TCG A15" ? That would be a problem.

No problem here.

> Or do you mean "we can't migrate a KVM A15" ? That's entirely
> expected when we drop support for KVM A15 :-)

Yes, this is why I mentioned this is mostly a problem for downstream
distributions.

> Or do you mean "migration from KVM to TCG doesn't work?" That's
> a pre-existing thing I don't expect to work (we don't put anything
> in to stop it working, but I'm pretty sure there will be a bunch
> of things that mean it doesn't in practice work.)
> 
>> So we need both 1/ revert 82bf7ae84ce and 2/ be sure the kernel
>> support 32-bit host... Am I missing something?
> 
> We're definitely not reverting 82bf7ae84ce if we can avoid it...

I tend to agree. The problem is for the running VMs started before
82bf7ae84ce (so up to any fork based on v5.2). I don't know what
the forks are supposed to do with the running VMs if they want to
migrate them to newer QEMU (or upgrade the host QEMU).

I don't expect a guest being happy and reliable if we underneath
change its CPU by another one while migrating it...

KVM to TCG is not tested much indeed, and I don't think the performance
impact will be well accepted :)



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-18 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-21 22:26 [PATCH v2 0/3] target/arm: Restrict v7A TCG cpus to TCG accel Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-02-21 22:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] target/arm: Restrict v8M IDAU to TCG Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-09 13:41   ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-09 14:18     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-09 14:55       ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-10 11:46       ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-10 13:42         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-10 13:45           ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-10 14:00             ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-10 14:19               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-02-21 22:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] target/arm/cpu: Update coding style to make checkpatch.pl happy Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-02-21 22:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] target/arm: Restrict v7A TCG cpus to TCG accel Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-11 10:43   ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-18  9:47     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-18  9:56       ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-18 10:47         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-18 11:09           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-18 11:21             ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-18 11:31               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2021-03-18 11:38                 ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-18 12:37                   ` Andrew Jones
2021-03-18 12:50                     ` Claudio Fontana
2021-03-18 13:14                       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-05 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Peter Maydell
2021-03-06 15:13   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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