From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com,
Ben Warren <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:44:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a2631c6-3af9-237d-6040-ba4d2e42d7ad@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180613151942.GC19901@redhat.com>
On 13.06.2018 17:19, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 05:11:51PM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 13.06.2018 15:44, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:38:40PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:05:21AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>>>>> We've got three ways of enabling an accelerator: -machine accel=xyz,
>>>>> -accel xyz and -enable-xyz. For new QEMU users, this must be very
>>>>> confusing ("Which one do I have to use? Is there a difference between
>>>>> the options?"). While -enable-kvm was useful in the past, there is no
>>>>> real good reason for using it anymore today ("-accel kvm" is even less
>>>>> to type than "-enable-kvm"), so let's decrease the confusing amount of
>>>>> options in our documenation a little bit by removing the -enable-xyz
>>>>> here. Note that the option itself is neither removed nor marked as
>>>>> deprecated - since -enable-kvm is likely used in a lot of scripts and
>>>>> since its code is easy to maintain, we should keep it around to avoid
>>>>> to break old setups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> PS: I guess Paolo won't like this patch ... let's try it anyway ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It's widely used and we're removing the documentation for it?! That is
>>>> likely to cause issues for new users who refer to the man page to
>>>> understand the QEMU command-lines they see online, in scripts, etc.
>>>
>>> Agreed, this is a very bad idea. Any option that is accepted by QEMU,
>>> but not documented is a bug that must be fixed. IOW removing docs
>>> is creating bugs.
>>
>> Not documenting unliked options that are still kept for compatibility
>> was at least a common practice in the past (see -no-kvm for example, or
>> many of those deprecated options like -net channel that have been
>> removed in the past year).
>
> If we're planning to deprecate & then delete an option, then I
> don't mind if docs are dropped, but IIUC, in this case we're
> not doing that - the option will essentially exist forever.
>
>>> If we want to help users understand why we have -enable-kvm, just
>>> make the docs say that it is syntactic for '-machine accel=kvm'.
>>> Users can decide for themselves whether they want to switch to
>>> the more verbose way or not
>>
>> Uh, well, in this case "-enable-kvm" is already the more verbose way:
>> "-accel kvm" is shorter :-)
>
> If I'm a user looking for how to enable KVM, then -enable-kvm is the
> one I'll pick because of the obvious name.
Hmm, maybe we should also add -configure-network-backend,
--configure-character-device-backend and -setup-block-backend as
synonyms for -netdev, -chardev and -blockdev, just because they have a
more obvious name? ;-)
Thomas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-13 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-13 5:05 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Replace '-machine accel=xyz' with '-accel xyz' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:20 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-13 12:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:53 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 14:12 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 16:10 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 13:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Replace '-enable-kvm' with '-accel kvm' in docs and help texts Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] qemu-options: Improve the documentation of '-accel' and '-machine accel=...' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:11 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 15:19 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:44 ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2018-06-13 16:02 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-19 15:15 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-19 16:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-22 18:11 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 19:19 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 19:35 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 21:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 6:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-25 10:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 17:30 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-25 18:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 19:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 5:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 12:29 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 13:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 16:06 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27 8:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27 14:05 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 4:40 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-26 7:50 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 12:56 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:43 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-27 8:49 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Stefan Hajnoczi
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