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From: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"Greg Kurz" <groug@kaod.org>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"José Ricardo Ziviani" <jose.ziviani@suse.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] modules: add support for target-specific modules.
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 09:48:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2be72be7-5c3f-e25d-fb84-cf58b573bf27@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210617053759.uibvdpu2wtq3fqwv@sirius.home.kraxel.org>

On 6/17/21 7:37 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
>>>> However, please correct me if I'm wrong, I understand that an accelerator as a 
>>>> module will add an overhead that some user won't be willing to pay. So, give 
>>>> them the option to have built-in accelerators seems a good idea.
>>>
>>> Modules add some overhead, yes, and there are surely use-cases where you
>>
>> Where do we expect the overhead to be, and of which nature?
> 
> The dynamic linking needed then when loading the module adds a bit of
> overhead (compared to static linked code).  Increases qemu start time
> a bit.
> 
> On the other hand the start overhead can be reduced by modules,
> specifically for the case that a module depends on shared libraries and
> is *not* needed.  With for example gtk being modular the gtk shared
> libraries (plus indirect dependencies like pango, cairo etc) are only
> loaded when you actually use gtk, whereas a non-modular build would load
> them no matter what.

Interesting observation.

> 
> The code reorganization needed for modularization can add some overhead
> too, when using function pointers instead of direct calls for example
> (see QemuSpiceOps).  That overhead doesn't go away when you do a
> non-modular build though ...
> 
> take care,
>   Gerd
> 

Do we need to be able to unload modules that we previously loaded? Or is this not a realistic requirement?

Thanks,

Claudio


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-17  7:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-10 10:15 [PATCH 0/4] modules: add support for target-specific modules Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 10:15 ` [PATCH 1/4] modules: factor out arch check Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 10:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] modules: check arch on qom lookup Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] modules: target-specific module build infrastructure Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 10:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] modules: build virtio-9p modular Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 10:34 ` [PATCH 0/4] modules: add support for target-specific modules Claudio Fontana
2021-06-10 12:23   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 13:10     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-10 13:12     ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-11  7:35       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-11  8:29         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-11 13:03           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-11 13:17             ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-14 22:19             ` José Ricardo Ziviani
2021-06-15  5:09               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-15 15:48                 ` José Ricardo Ziviani
2021-06-16  9:28                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-16 12:23                     ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-17  5:37                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-17  7:48                         ` Claudio Fontana [this message]
2021-06-17  9:48                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-06-17 10:07                             ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-11 17:14           ` Paolo Bonzini

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