qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] block: Add bdrv_make_empty()
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:25:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c52cdc0-ba9b-081e-b593-fd3cf49dca12@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200428141641.GH5789@linux.fritz.box>

On 4/28/20 9:16 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:

>>
>> Yes.  Although now I'm wondering if the two should remain separate or should
>> just be a single driver callback where flags can include BDRV_REQ_ZERO_WRITE
>> to distinguish whether exposing the backing file vs. reading as all zeroes
>> is intended, or if that is merging too much.
> 
> I don't think the implementations for both things are too similar, so
> you might just end up having two if branches and then two separate
> implementations in the block drivers.
> 

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more two callbacks still make 
sense.  .bdrv_make_empty may or may not need a flag, but .bdrv_make_zero 
definitely does (because that's where we want a difference between 
making the entire image zero no matter the delay, vs. only making it all 
zero if it is is fast).

> If anything, bdrv_make_empty() is more related to discard than
> write_zeroes. But we use the discard code for it in qcow2 only as a
> fallback because in the most common cases, making an image completely
> empty means effectively just creating an entirely new L1 and refcount
> table, which is much faster than individually discarding all clusters.
> 
> For bdrv_make_zero() I don't see an opportunity for such optimisations,
> so I don't really see a reason to have a separate callback. Unless you
> do know one?

The optimization I have in mind is adding a qcow2 autoclear bit to track 
when an image is known to read as all zero - at which point 
.bdrv_make_zero instantly returns success.  For raw files, a possible 
optimization is to truncate to size 0 and then back to the full size, 
when it is known that truncation forces read-as-zero.  For NBD, I'm 
still playing with whether adding new 64-bit transactions for a bulk 
zero will be useful, and even if not, maybe special-casing 
NBD_CMD_WRITE_ZEROES with a size of 0 to do a bulk zero, if both server 
and client negotiated that particular meaning.

-- 
Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.           +1-919-301-3226
Virtualization:  qemu.org | libvirt.org



  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-28 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-28 13:26 [PATCH 0/4] block: Do not call BlockDriver.bdrv_make_empty() directly Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] block: Add bdrv_make_empty() Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:53   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:01     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-28 14:07       ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:16         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-28 14:25           ` Eric Blake [this message]
2020-04-28 14:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-29  7:39     ` Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] block: Use bdrv_make_empty() where possible Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:54   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 15:03   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] block: Add blk_make_empty() Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:55   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:28     ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:47   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-29  7:39     ` Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] block: Use blk_make_empty() after commits Max Reitz
2020-04-28 14:07   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-29  7:58     ` Max Reitz
2020-04-28 15:03   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-29  8:01     ` Max Reitz
2020-04-28 13:38 ` [PATCH 0/4] block: Do not call BlockDriver.bdrv_make_empty() directly no-reply
2020-04-28 13:43 ` no-reply
2020-04-28 13:57   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 13:48 ` no-reply
2020-04-28 13:49 ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:05   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 14:53 ` no-reply
2020-04-28 14:57 ` no-reply
2020-04-28 15:02 ` no-reply

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=2c52cdc0-ba9b-081e-b593-fd3cf49dca12@redhat.com \
    --to=eblake@redhat.com \
    --cc=kwolf@redhat.com \
    --cc=mreitz@redhat.com \
    --cc=qemu-block@nongnu.org \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).