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From: Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
To: "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Kunkun Jiang" <jiangkunkun@huawei.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>
Cc: "open list:All patches CC here" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com, Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Question] VFIO migration will not be aborted in a corner scenario
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:13:24 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <363fb7c4-a8c2-49de-85f5-f007ae94189e@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6165e17-a926-4a59-9b59-2dd6853f20a6@redhat.com>


On 12/08/2025 17:56, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>
>
> On 8/12/25 16:08, Avihai Horon wrote:
>>
>> On 11/08/2025 19:34, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
>>> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> + Avihai
>>>
>>> On 8/11/25 18:02, Kunkun Jiang wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> While testing VFIO migration, I encountered an corner scenario case:
>>>> VFIO migration will not be aborted when the vfio device of dst-vm 
>>>> fails to transition from RESUMING to RUNNING state in 
>>>> vfio_vmstate_change.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the comments in the vfio_vmstate_change but I don't 
>>>> understand why no action is taken for this situation.
>>>
>>> There is error handling in vfio_vmstate_change() :
>>>
>>>         /*
>>>          * Migration should be aborted in this case, but 
>>> vm_state_notify()
>>>          * currently does not support reporting failures.
>>>          */
>>>         migration_file_set_error(ret, local_err);
>>
>> Hmm, I think this only sets the error on src. On dst we don't have 
>> MigrationState->to_dst_file, so we end up just reporting the error.
>> But even if we did set it, no one is checking if there is a migration 
>> error after vm_start() is called in process_incoming_migration_bh().
>>
>>>
>>>> Allowing the live migration process to continue could cause 
>>>> unrecoverable damage to the VM.
>>
>> What do you mean by unrecoverable damage to the VM?
>> If RESUMING->RUNNING transition fails, would a VFIO reset recover the 
>> device and allow the VM to continue operation with damage limited 
>> only to the VFIO device?
>>
>>>> In this case, can we directly exit the dst-vm? Through the 
>>>> return-path mechanism, the src-vm can continue to run.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your reply.
>>>
>> The straightforward solution, as you suggested, is to exit dst upon 
>> error in RESUMING->RUNNING transition and notify about it to src 
>> through the return-path.
>> However, I am not sure if failing the migration after vm_start() on 
>> dst is a bit late (as we start vCPUs and do migration_block_activate, 
>> etc.).
>>
>> But I can think of another way to solve this, hopefully simpler.
>> According to VFIO migration uAPI [1]:
>>   * RESUMING -> STOP
>>   *   Leaving RESUMING terminates a data transfer session and 
>> indicates the
>>   *   device should complete processing of the data delivered by 
>> write(). The
>>   *   kernel migration driver should complete the incorporation of 
>> data written
>>   *   to the data transfer FD into the device internal state and perform
>>   *   final validity and consistency checking of the new device 
>> state. If the
>>   *   user provided data is found to be incomplete, inconsistent, or 
>> otherwise
>>   *   invalid, the migration driver must fail the SET_STATE ioctl and
>>   *   optionally go to the ERROR state as described below.
>>
>> So, IIUC, we can add an explicit RESUMING->STOP transition [2] after 
>> the device config is loaded (which is the last data the device is 
>> expected to receive).
>> If this transition fails, it means something was wrong with 
>> migration, and we can send src an error msg via return-path (and not 
>> continue to vm_start()).
>>
>> Maybe this approach is less complicated than the first one, and it 
>> will also work if src VM was paused prior migration.
>> I already tested some POC and it seems to be working (at least with 
>> an artificial error i injected in RESUMING->STOP transition).
>> Kunkun, can you apply the following diff [3] and check if this solves 
>> the issue?
>>
>> And in general, what do you think? Should we go with this approach or 
>> do you have other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [1] 
>> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.16/source/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h#L1099
>> [2] Today RESUMING->STOP is done implicitly by the VFIO driver as 
>> part of RESUMING->RUNNING transition.
>> [3]
>
> Avihai,
>
> Could you please send an RFC patch with Peter and Fabiano in cc: ?
> This will help to discuss the proposal and keep track of the issue.
>
Yes, of course. But I am a bit busy with other stuff, so it may take me 
a few days to do that.

Of course, If anyone would like, feel free to send your own proposal.

Thanks.

>
> Kunkun Jiang,
>
> Could you please share details on your environment ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> C.
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-11 16:02 [Question] VFIO migration will not be aborted in a corner scenario Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-11 16:34 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-12 14:08   ` Avihai Horon
2025-08-12 14:34     ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-12 14:58       ` Peter Xu
2025-08-18  6:10         ` Avihai Horon
2025-08-12 14:56     ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-13 12:18       ` Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-18  6:13       ` Avihai Horon [this message]
2025-08-13 12:18     ` Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-18  6:44       ` Avihai Horon

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