From: Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
To: "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
"Kunkun Jiang" <jiangkunkun@huawei.com>,
"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>
Cc: "open list:All patches CC here" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com, Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Question] VFIO migration will not be aborted in a corner scenario
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:13:24 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <363fb7c4-a8c2-49de-85f5-f007ae94189e@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6165e17-a926-4a59-9b59-2dd6853f20a6@redhat.com>
On 12/08/2025 17:56, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
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>
> On 8/12/25 16:08, Avihai Horon wrote:
>>
>> On 11/08/2025 19:34, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
>>> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> + Avihai
>>>
>>> On 8/11/25 18:02, Kunkun Jiang wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> While testing VFIO migration, I encountered an corner scenario case:
>>>> VFIO migration will not be aborted when the vfio device of dst-vm
>>>> fails to transition from RESUMING to RUNNING state in
>>>> vfio_vmstate_change.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the comments in the vfio_vmstate_change but I don't
>>>> understand why no action is taken for this situation.
>>>
>>> There is error handling in vfio_vmstate_change() :
>>>
>>> /*
>>> * Migration should be aborted in this case, but
>>> vm_state_notify()
>>> * currently does not support reporting failures.
>>> */
>>> migration_file_set_error(ret, local_err);
>>
>> Hmm, I think this only sets the error on src. On dst we don't have
>> MigrationState->to_dst_file, so we end up just reporting the error.
>> But even if we did set it, no one is checking if there is a migration
>> error after vm_start() is called in process_incoming_migration_bh().
>>
>>>
>>>> Allowing the live migration process to continue could cause
>>>> unrecoverable damage to the VM.
>>
>> What do you mean by unrecoverable damage to the VM?
>> If RESUMING->RUNNING transition fails, would a VFIO reset recover the
>> device and allow the VM to continue operation with damage limited
>> only to the VFIO device?
>>
>>>> In this case, can we directly exit the dst-vm? Through the
>>>> return-path mechanism, the src-vm can continue to run.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your reply.
>>>
>> The straightforward solution, as you suggested, is to exit dst upon
>> error in RESUMING->RUNNING transition and notify about it to src
>> through the return-path.
>> However, I am not sure if failing the migration after vm_start() on
>> dst is a bit late (as we start vCPUs and do migration_block_activate,
>> etc.).
>>
>> But I can think of another way to solve this, hopefully simpler.
>> According to VFIO migration uAPI [1]:
>> * RESUMING -> STOP
>> * Leaving RESUMING terminates a data transfer session and
>> indicates the
>> * device should complete processing of the data delivered by
>> write(). The
>> * kernel migration driver should complete the incorporation of
>> data written
>> * to the data transfer FD into the device internal state and perform
>> * final validity and consistency checking of the new device
>> state. If the
>> * user provided data is found to be incomplete, inconsistent, or
>> otherwise
>> * invalid, the migration driver must fail the SET_STATE ioctl and
>> * optionally go to the ERROR state as described below.
>>
>> So, IIUC, we can add an explicit RESUMING->STOP transition [2] after
>> the device config is loaded (which is the last data the device is
>> expected to receive).
>> If this transition fails, it means something was wrong with
>> migration, and we can send src an error msg via return-path (and not
>> continue to vm_start()).
>>
>> Maybe this approach is less complicated than the first one, and it
>> will also work if src VM was paused prior migration.
>> I already tested some POC and it seems to be working (at least with
>> an artificial error i injected in RESUMING->STOP transition).
>> Kunkun, can you apply the following diff [3] and check if this solves
>> the issue?
>>
>> And in general, what do you think? Should we go with this approach or
>> do you have other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.16/source/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h#L1099
>> [2] Today RESUMING->STOP is done implicitly by the VFIO driver as
>> part of RESUMING->RUNNING transition.
>> [3]
>
> Avihai,
>
> Could you please send an RFC patch with Peter and Fabiano in cc: ?
> This will help to discuss the proposal and keep track of the issue.
>
Yes, of course. But I am a bit busy with other stuff, so it may take me
a few days to do that.
Of course, If anyone would like, feel free to send your own proposal.
Thanks.
>
> Kunkun Jiang,
>
> Could you please share details on your environment ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> C.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-18 6:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-11 16:02 [Question] VFIO migration will not be aborted in a corner scenario Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-11 16:34 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-12 14:08 ` Avihai Horon
2025-08-12 14:34 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-12 14:58 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-18 6:10 ` Avihai Horon
2025-08-12 14:56 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-08-13 12:18 ` Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-18 6:13 ` Avihai Horon [this message]
2025-08-13 12:18 ` Kunkun Jiang via
2025-08-18 6:44 ` Avihai Horon
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