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auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=abologna@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=216.205.24.124; envelope-from=abologna@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/22 23:02:20 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.199, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: crobinso@redhat.com, rmohr@redhat.com, vromanso@redhat.com Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 11:29 +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > Hi Andrea, Hi Philippe, and sorry for the delay in answering! First of all, thanks for taking the time to go through the documents and posting your thoughts. More comments below. > Thanks a lot for this documentation, I could learn new things, > use cases out of my interest area. Useful as a developer to > better understand how are used the areas I'm coding. This > shorten a bit that gap between developers and users. > > What would be more valuable than a developer review/feedback is > having feedback from users and technical writers. > Suggestion: also share it on qemu-discuss@nongnu.org which is > less technical (maybe simply repost the cover and link to the > Wiki). More eyes would obviously be good, but note that these are really intended to improve the interactions between QEMU/libvirt and KubeVirt, so the audience is ultimately developers. Of course you could say that KubeVirt developers *are* users when it comes to QEMU/libvirt, and you wouldn't be wrong ;) Still, qemu-devel seems like the proper venue. > What is not obvious in this cover (and the documents pasted on > the list) is there are schema pictures on the Wiki pages which > are not viewable and appreciable via an email post. You're right! I was pretty sure I had a line about that somewhere in there but I guess it got lost during editing. Hopefully the URL at the very beginning of each document caused people to browse the HTML version. > I had zero knowledge on Kubernetes. I have been confused by their > use in the introduction... > > From Index: > > "The intended audience is people who are familiar with the traditional > virtualization stack (QEMU plus libvirt), and in order to make it > more approachable to them comparisons, are included and little to no > knowledge of KubeVirt or Kubernetes is assumed." > > Then in Architecture's {Goals and Components} there is an assumption > Kubernetes is known. Entering in Components, Kubernetes is briefly > but enough explained. > > Then KubeVirt is very well explained. I guess the sections in the Index you're referring to assume that you know that Kubernetes is somehow connected to containers, and that it's a clustered environment. Anything else I missed? Perhaps we could move the contents of https://gitlab.cee.redhat.com/abologna/kubevirt-and-kvm/-/blob/master/Components.md#kubernetes to a small document that's linked to near the very top. Would that improve things, in your opinion? > Sometimes the "Other topics" category is confusing, it seems out > of the scope of the "better understanding and documenting the > interactions between KubeVirt and KVM" and looks like left over > notes. That's probably because they absolutely are O:-) > Maybe renaming the "Other topics" section would help. > "Unanswered questions", "Other possibilities to investigate",... This sounds sensible :) Thanks again for your feedback! -- Andrea Bolognani / Red Hat / Virtualization