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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=pbonzini@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On 12/1/25 21:58, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 10:20:49PM +0400, Marc-André Lureau wrote: >>> cases. Also when using jack you'd want to have a QEMU backend for it not >> It would be great if people with very specific or constrained requirements >> on qemu audio could check if the GStreamer backend fits their need. > > I'm thinking mainly about their simplicity. > > Dropping the system API backends would add an extra sophisticated > layer (GStreamer) between the system and the program. In theory, an > unlimited number of software layers may be stacked in a program, but > the more layers there are, the more fragile the program tends to > be. Based on my limited experience, when things went wrong, the system > backends were simpler to debug and make work than the big frameworks. > > IMHO, the system API backends won't hurt GStreamer users, so I see no > reason to remove them. I mostly agree. Perhaps the DirectSound backend could be removed by just letting Windows use SDL (unlike macOS, Windows doesn't have a "native" GUI layer), and the ALSA backend is also not so useful in my opinion. But all the others have a reason to be there. Paolo