[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

Hello,

I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).

With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.

In fact, during install, W2k logs a very lot of information (for me, 3.6 G !). 
All this stuff is under C:\WINNT\Security, with a lot of 1Mb files.
So, disk is really full, it is not a bug regarding disk emulation. I suspect 
this is the same for SP2, but more logs are added. In fact, I can install 
only i there is enough space for all this garbage (for me, 4Gb). Perhaps SP2 
can install with lot of space...

After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in 1024x768).
The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(

I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it 
works...
However, sometimes, W2k (as W98SE) don't get an address, and I have to reload 
the virtual machine to have one.

When it runs, I get files from host by ftp at 2800Kbytes/s, but the put is at 
40Kb/s only...

Last, Service pack 4 don't install. It starts, then say 'there is an error' 
and stop.

I have one question : with user mode network, guest can contact host.
Is it possible for guest to contact another computer ?
Is it posible for host or other computer to contact guest (ie, can guest be a 
server, can I telnet it for example ?)

Many thanks for this wonderful work.

-- 
Gilles SIMON

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
two drivers conflicted.
Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.

Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
cannot change.

Le Vendredi 14 Mai 2004 11:26, Gilles SIMON a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).
>
> With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
> With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.
>
> In fact, during install, W2k logs a very lot of information (for me, 3.6 G
> !). All this stuff is under C:\WINNT\Security, with a lot of 1Mb files. So,
> disk is really full, it is not a bug regarding disk emulation. I suspect
> this is the same for SP2, but more logs are added. In fact, I can install
> only i there is enough space for all this garbage (for me, 4Gb). Perhaps
> SP2 can install with lot of space...
>
> After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in
> 1024x768). The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(
>
> I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it
> works...
> However, sometimes, W2k (as W98SE) don't get an address, and I have to
> reload the virtual machine to have one.
>
> When it runs, I get files from host by ftp at 2800Kbytes/s, but the put is
> at 40Kb/s only...
>
> Last, Service pack 4 don't install. It starts, then say 'there is an error'
> and stop.
>
> I have one question : with user mode network, guest can contact host.
> Is it possible for guest to contact another computer ?
> Is it posible for host or other computer to contact guest (ie, can guest be
> a server, can I telnet it for example ?)
>
> Many thanks for this wonderful work.

-- 
Gilles SIMON

[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Vladimir N. Oleynik]

Gilles,

 > I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).

 > With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
 > With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.

I have full identicaly result.
I stoped emulation and reboot from Win98 floppy, removed all
C:\WINNT\Security\EBD0*.logs (I think, this is IO ports name ?
in scanning progress), make scandisk and reload from C: with saved state. ;-)

 > After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in 1024x768).
 > The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(

I haven`t problem with this driver in 1024x768 256 colors.
But after change mode to other from running w2k, emulation breaked.
(And keyboard stay with raw mode and if mouse captured, can`t use mouse
after).
I found "solution": change resolution from registry - its works.

 > I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it
 > works...

Yes. But, I think, this have memory leak.
After partial download SP4, my memory ended and Xserver halted :(

Netwok over tun works great for me, but SP4 can`t installed.


--w
vodz

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Eric van Riet Paap]

On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
> I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
> two drivers conflicted.
> Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
> 
> Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
> now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
> On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
> it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
> cannot change.

same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
(Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)

-Eric

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Fabrice Bellard]

Eric van Riet Paap wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> 
>>After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
>>I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
>>two drivers conflicted.
>>Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
>>
>>Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
>>now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
>>On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
>>it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
>>cannot change.
> 
> 
> same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
> with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
> linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
> played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
> (Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)

QEMU clock is set to GMT. I can add an option to set it to the local 
time. The reverse is also possible (set it by default to local time).

Fabrice.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

It could be a good idea to set default clock to localtime (with perhaps option 
for GMT ?).
However, I have 3 hours shift when in France, we are only GMT+2 ??

Le Samedi 15 Mai 2004 00:48, Fabrice Bellard a écrit :
> Eric van Riet Paap wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> >>After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all
> >> resolutions/colors I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall
> >> correctly BXVGA, so the two drivers conflicted.
> >>Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
> >>
> >>Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus
> >> another one now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
> >>On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways
> >> incorrect : it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3
> >> hours shift I cannot change.
> >
> > same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
> > with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
> > linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
> > played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
> > (Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)
>
> QEMU clock is set to GMT. I can add an option to set it to the local
> time. The reverse is also possible (set it by default to local time).
>
> Fabrice.
>
>
>
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Gilles SIMON
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Gilles SIMON <gilsim@wanadoo.fr>
   Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:44:11 +0200

   > It could be a good idea to set default clock to localtime (with
   > perhaps option for GMT ?).

No. Clock should be in UTC/GMT. It is crazy to have local time in
BIOS. Why?

Imagine your system is powered off, and clock is running in it. You'll
power it off when its clock contains time 02:30:00 in the day where clock
is to be shifted from 02:00 to 03:00 (so no time like 02:30 exists that
day). So what will be the time in your system? This is simpler case,
because you can simply shift the time to 03:30:00.

The same applies to e.g. 02:05 the day when clock is to be shifted from
03:00 back to 02:00. Is it the time before or after shift?
-- 
Pavel Janík

Emperical studies shows that in English, the set of persons covered by the
word "someone" always exclude the speaker, so don't suggest anything.
                  --  Per Abrahamsen in emacs-devel

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

First and foremost : I am astonished by the quality of the work that went 
into qemu. Thuis is the firs time I see a CPU emulator actually usable for 
"everyday work". It might solf by major hurdle with Linux use at work, i. 
e. running proprietary Windows software on a Linux workstation...

However, I, too, encountered some issues. I saw the same problems as 
prevous messages reported :

- W2KSPx doesn't install (disk full, due to a lot of 1 MB in C:\WINNT\Security)
- W2K (no SP) more or less installs (disk full after installation, but that 
can be cured ...). SP4 update doesn't install.
- Timeshift of 3 hours (I am also living in France).

Furthermore, I have to report that, whatever way I tried, I failed to 
install some software :

- Office 97 : fails immediately with an error related to not being able to 
read a .stf file in the CDROM (this happens whether I use a CDROM image or 
the real device)
- mozilla : installation fails during the final install.
- OpenOffice.org : fails "silently" (no error message, but no installation 
either.

There might be a small but subtle bug in the virtual machine code ?

Furthet thoughs about the virtual machine : I *think* that some 
improvements can vbe made re: usability. In particular, I wouldn't be 
adverse to a cleaner solution to networking (tun works, but is awkward). 
I'll write them after a bit more elaboration.

Sincerely,

					Emmanuel Charpentier