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From: Jan Marten Simons <marten@xtal.rwth-aachen.de>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Have any ideas about how to detect whether a program is running inside QEMU?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:33:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44ACE717.1080801@xtal.rwth-aachen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c13b6c000607060018y10cf5c8fwdce320e34fb0f333@mail.gmail.com>

James Lau wrote:
> My program is a utility for internet payment. It takes an important
> role in the payment process to ensure security.  One of the key
> functions is that the program should detect which machine is paying.
> So while virtual machine (like QEMU) is present, it can cheat the
> program.
Well, to say it bluntly: Your security concept is flawed, as you cannot
assume a client to be trusted. Rethink your concept. A Kerberos 5 like
model might help you here.
> Checking the hard disk model, cpu type, and other hardward
> informations makes little sense.  Because the users or the hackers can
> easily modify these informations. So I need a QEMU internal checking
> method that hackers can't easily bypass.
Just for your information: There's a project derived from qemu named
'argos' which tries to setup a high interaction honeypot to fool hackers
into revealing their techniques and tools. If they can fool skilled
hackers to take the vm for a real system, then your programm can be
fooled as well.

With regards,
Jan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-06 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-06  5:04 [Qemu-devel] Have any ideas about how to detect whether a program is running inside QEMU? James Lau
2006-07-06  6:48 ` Natalia Portillo
2006-07-06  6:55 ` John R. Hogerhuis
2006-07-06  7:18   ` James Lau
2006-07-06  8:20     ` Kevin F. Quinn
2006-07-06 10:33     ` Jan Marten Simons [this message]
2006-07-07  2:12       ` James Lau
2006-07-06 10:56     ` Jamie Lokier
2006-07-06 20:46     ` Daniel Serpell
2006-07-06 23:21       ` Kevin F. Quinn
2006-07-07  8:07         ` G Portokalidis
2006-07-07 20:36           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2006-07-07  0:06       ` Anthony Liguori

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