* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 [not found] <20060820181501.11663156090@pc42.xtal.rwth-aachen.de> @ 2006-08-21 15:38 ` Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-21 17:59 ` Rene Horn 2006-08-21 20:56 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Fabrice Bellard 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-21 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel frisen wrote: > Dear developers, > > We would like to know how to resolve the problem of file sharing between guest > and host operating systems. We have tried in many ways without any success... > If you can send us a suggestion, we would be very grateful - the version of > qemu we have tried is the 0.8.1.1. > > Many Greetings from > > frisellen > I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months ago). But so far nobody came up with a patch to do this. Here's the original eMail: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/msg00025.html It spawned a quite big thread thread back then (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025). I'd still like to see this feature in qemu, as it would be very useful in my opinion. With regards, Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-21 15:38 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-21 17:59 ` Rene Horn 2006-08-21 18:17 ` [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-21 20:56 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Fabrice Bellard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Rene Horn @ 2006-08-21 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1626 bytes --] I wrote up a howto on this: http://qemu.dad-answers.com/viewtopic.php?t=1963 I'm not sure if that will provide exactly what the OP was looking for, but it should be a step in the right direction. Rene On 8/21/06, Jan Marten Simons <marten@xtal.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > frisen wrote: > > Dear developers, > > > > We would like to know how to resolve the problem of file sharing between > guest > > and host operating systems. We have tried in many ways without any > success... > > If you can send us a suggestion, we would be very grateful - the version > of > > qemu we have tried is the 0.8.1.1. > > > > Many Greetings from > > > > frisellen > > > I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months ago). > But so far nobody came up with a patch to do this. > Here's the original eMail: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/msg00025.html > > It spawned a quite big thread thread back then > (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025). > I'd still like to see this feature in qemu, as it would be very useful > in my opinion. > > With regards, > Jan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > -- the.rhorn@gmail.com, rhorn@sdf.lonestar.org, hornr18@uwosh.edu (UW-Oshkosh email address), http://rhorn.unixcab.org - a bunch of experimental stuff SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Jay Leno in response to Colin Powell's deadline for an Iraqi constitution: "They can take ours. After all, we aren't using it..." [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2621 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) 2006-08-21 17:59 ` Rene Horn @ 2006-08-21 18:17 ` Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-21 18:23 ` Andrew Barr 2006-08-21 20:32 ` Rene Horn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-21 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Hi Rene, Your HowTo is quite nice and might be enough for most users, but it depends on modifying the host-system, which needs admin/root privileges. An internal virtual FTP server which serves a directory of the host might be slower, but it would not need any changes on the host side. (Think about portable OS in qemu on USB/Flash-Media, which could easily export e.g. C:\Xchange or ~/xchange into a virtual FTP/WebDAV, which can be used for fileexchange from allmost any guest.) That way you can build a very portable sandbox, which can be run from various host systems. With regards, Jan Rene Horn wrote: > I wrote up a howto on this: > http://qemu.dad-answers.com/viewtopic.php?t=1963 > > I'm not sure if that will provide exactly what the OP was looking for, > but it should be a step in the right direction. > > Rene > > I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months > ago). > But so far nobody came up with a patch to do this. > Here's the original eMail: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/msg00025.html > > It spawned a quite big thread thread back then > (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025 > <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025>). > I'd still like to see this feature in qemu, as it would be very useful > in my opinion. > > With regards, > Jan > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) 2006-08-21 18:17 ` [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-21 18:23 ` Andrew Barr 2006-08-21 20:32 ` Rene Horn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Andrew Barr @ 2006-08-21 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Marten Simons; +Cc: qemu-devel On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 20:17 +0200, Jan Marten Simons wrote: > Hi Rene, > > Your HowTo is quite nice and might be enough for most users, but it > depends on modifying the host-system, which needs admin/root privileges. > An internal virtual FTP server which serves a directory of the host > might be slower, but it would not need any changes on the host side. > (Think about portable OS in qemu on USB/Flash-Media, which could easily > export e.g. C:\Xchange or ~/xchange into a virtual FTP/WebDAV, which can > be used for fileexchange from allmost any guest.) That way you can build > a very portable sandbox, which can be run from various host systems. Hi, is there any reason SMB won't work for your needs? (command line option -smb <dir>) -- Andrew Barr | http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/ All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual (1925) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) 2006-08-21 18:17 ` [Qemu-devel] virtual FTP/WebDAV (was: windows xp under pclinuxos 2005) Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-21 18:23 ` Andrew Barr @ 2006-08-21 20:32 ` Rene Horn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Rene Horn @ 2006-08-21 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2549 bytes --] The creator of QEMU-Puppy seems to have some ideas solving this: http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html#6.1.0 His first solution uses a modified FTP server from within the guest, but the modification seems a bit hackish. His second solution uses tar and netcat, but that seems rather inelegant. His third solution uses SMB under a Linux host, but doesn't work under Windows, ironically. I'm also wondering why the user mode network stack won't work. Rene On 8/21/06, Jan Marten Simons <marten@xtal.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > Hi Rene, > > Your HowTo is quite nice and might be enough for most users, but it > depends on modifying the host-system, which needs admin/root privileges. > An internal virtual FTP server which serves a directory of the host > might be slower, but it would not need any changes on the host side. > (Think about portable OS in qemu on USB/Flash-Media, which could easily > export e.g. C:\Xchange or ~/xchange into a virtual FTP/WebDAV, which can > be used for fileexchange from allmost any guest.) That way you can build > a very portable sandbox, which can be run from various host systems. > > With regards, > Jan > > Rene Horn wrote: > > I wrote up a howto on this: > > http://qemu.dad-answers.com/viewtopic.php?t=1963 > > > > I'm not sure if that will provide exactly what the OP was looking for, > > but it should be a step in the right direction. > > > > Rene > > > > I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months > > ago). > > But so far nobody came up with a patch to do this. > > Here's the original eMail: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/msg00025.html > > > > It spawned a quite big thread thread back then > > ( > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025 > > < > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/threads.html#00025>). > > I'd still like to see this feature in qemu, as it would be very > useful > > in my opinion. > > > > With regards, > > Jan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > -- the.rhorn@gmail.com, rhorn@sdf.lonestar.org, hornr18@uwosh.edu (UW-Oshkosh email address), http://rhorn.unixcab.org - a bunch of experimental stuff SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Jay Leno in response to Colin Powell's deadline for an Iraqi constitution: "They can take ours. After all, we aren't using it..." [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3986 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-21 15:38 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-21 17:59 ` Rene Horn @ 2006-08-21 20:56 ` Fabrice Bellard 2006-08-21 21:15 ` Jernej Simončič 2006-08-22 8:21 ` Jan Marten Simons 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Fabrice Bellard @ 2006-08-21 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Jan Marten Simons wrote: > I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months ago). > [snipped] My preference would be for an SMB server or NFS server fully integrated in slirp. A fully integrated NFS server would be quite simple to implement but it would not easily work with windows guests. At first glance, by looking at the smbfs code in the Linux kernel, an SMB server compatible with Linux guests would be as easy to write as an NFS server. But being compatible with Windows guests would be more difficult and might lead to a rewrite of Samba ! Regards, Fabrice. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-21 20:56 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Fabrice Bellard @ 2006-08-21 21:15 ` Jernej Simončič 2006-08-22 8:21 ` Jan Marten Simons 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jernej Simončič @ 2006-08-21 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fabrice Bellard on [qemu-devel] On Monday, August 21, 2006, 22:56:15, Fabrice Bellard wrote: > A fully integrated NFS server would be quite simple to implement but it > would not easily work with windows guests. Well, Microsoft has a NFS client (and server) in their Services for Unix, which are a free download for Windows 2000/XP/2003... -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > That which we call sin in others is experiment for us. -- Emerson's Insight ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-21 20:56 ` [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 Fabrice Bellard 2006-08-21 21:15 ` Jernej Simončič @ 2006-08-22 8:21 ` Jan Marten Simons 2006-08-22 13:55 ` Johannes Schindelin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-22 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Fabrice Bellard wrote: > Jan Marten Simons wrote: > >> I was asking for an integrated virtual FTP server (about 14 months >> ago). [snipped] > > My preference would be for an SMB server or NFS server fully > integrated in slirp. > > A fully integrated NFS server would be quite simple to implement but > it would not easily work with windows guests. > > At first glance, by looking at the smbfs code in the Linux kernel, an > SMB server compatible with Linux guests would be as easy to write as > an NFS server. But being compatible with Windows guests would be more > difficult and might lead to a rewrite of Samba ! > > Regards, > > Fabrice. I'm still thinking FTP would be a useful alternative as it's more low-level. There is hardly any OS with network capabilities with no FTP client availiable. Then the FTP server in qemu would only need to support a very basic set of features (no need for user management, either passive or active mode depending on what's easier to implement). Such a tiny server (I expect about 3k of source code) would not bloat qemu as much as reimplementing samba inside. So I think that internal SMB and NFS servers are another nice idea but FTP is still the most common protocol (esp. for 'weird' guests). With regards, Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-22 8:21 ` Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-22 13:55 ` Johannes Schindelin 2006-08-22 14:19 ` Jan Marten Simons 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Johannes Schindelin @ 2006-08-22 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Hi, On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Jan Marten Simons wrote: > I'm still thinking FTP would be a useful alternative as it's more low-level. It is not only simpler, it is no file system. With FTP, you'd still have to "download" the files to use them. By contrast, SMB and NFS allow you to use the files directly (even writing). I tried to fill this gap by writing vvfat a long time ago, but people seem to hate it. Ciao, Dscho ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 2006-08-22 13:55 ` Johannes Schindelin @ 2006-08-22 14:19 ` Jan Marten Simons 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jan Marten Simons @ 2006-08-22 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Johannes Schindelin wrote: >> I'm still thinking FTP would be a useful alternative as it's more low-level. >> > > It is not only simpler, it is no file system. > > With FTP, you'd still have to "download" the files to use them. By > contrast, SMB and NFS allow you to use the files directly (even writing). > I tried to fill this gap by writing vvfat a long time ago, but people seem > to hate it. > Actually, I think vvfat is another useful feature (thanks for the work you put into it), but I also think it's not trivial to keep the device in sync while qemu is runnning and writes can occur from the host to the shared directory and from the guest to the virtual hdd / removable medium (hotplug support is needed from the guest or things are likely to go out of sync). With FTP you'd just refresh when the ftp-client asks for a refresh. Much easier to handle this ;) Additionally linux is able to mount FTP as well (using FUSE or LUFS) thou this is a bit of a hack. In my opinion the versatility of qemu is one of its best features. Therefore I think its good to add various helpers to it, so you can choose the one, which is suited best for your setup/problem. Other products don't offer that flexibility. With regards and thanks for vvfat, Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* [Qemu-devel] windows xp under pclinuxos 2005 @ 2006-06-19 17:33 frisen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: frisen @ 2006-06-19 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Dear developers, We would like to know how to resolve the problem of file sharing between guest and host operating systems. We have tried in many ways without any success... If you can send us a suggestion, we would be very grateful - the version of qemu we have tried is the 0.8.1.1. Many Greetings from frisellen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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