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From: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
To: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Cc: "open list:RISC-V" <qemu-riscv@nongnu.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-discuss <qemu-discuss@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-s390x <qemu-s390x@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] configure: deprecate 32 bit build hosts
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:11:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4512b61a-ed82-e628-88e5-f44ef87c2b50@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA9vb5_Mi_axWpu7269Zg0xMLbiiV80ofLeyDpfws3G4nQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/26/19 12:50 AM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 00:31, Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>>
>> The 32 bit hosts are already a second class citizen especially with
>> support for running 64 bit guests under TCG. We are also limited by
>> testing as actual working 32 bit machines are getting quite rare in
>> developers personal menageries. For TCG supporting newer types like
>> Int128 is a lot harder with 32 bit calling conventions compared to
>> their larger bit sized cousins. Fundamentally address space is the
>> most useful thing for the translator to have even for a 32 bit guest a
>> 32 bit host is quite constrained.
>>
>> As far as I'm aware 32 bit KVM users are even less numerous. Even
>> ILP32 doesn't make much sense given the address space QEMU needs to
>> manage.
> 
> For KVM we should wait until the kernel chooses to drop support,
> I think.

Agreed.  I think this discussion should be more about TCG.

>> @@ -745,19 +744,22 @@ case "$cpu" in
>>    ;;
>>    armv*b|armv*l|arm)
>>      cpu="arm"
>> -    supported_cpu="yes"
>>    ;;
> 
> I'll leave others to voice opinions about their architectures,
> but I still have 32-bit arm in my test set for builds, and
> I'm pretty sure we have users (raspi users, for a start).

I'd really like to know what raspi users might be using qemu for.  Depending on
that answer, perhaps it would be sufficient for arm32 tcg to only support
32-bit guests.

For context, the discussion that Alex and I were having was about int128_t, and
how to support that directly in tcg (especially to/from helpers), and how that
might be vastly easier if we didn't have to consider 32-bit hosts.


r~


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-26 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-25 23:30 [RFC PATCH] configure: deprecate 32 bit build hosts Alex Bennée
2019-09-26  7:29 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-09-26  7:50 ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-26 12:58   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-26 13:46     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-09-26 14:26       ` Thomas Huth
2019-09-26 15:27         ` Alex Bennée
2019-09-26 16:11           ` Alistair Francis
2019-09-26 19:02             ` Alex Bennée
2019-09-27  8:55     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-09-26 15:31   ` Alex Bennée
2019-09-26 17:11   ` Richard Henderson [this message]
2019-09-30  9:25     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
     [not found]       ` <87impakrky.fsf@linaro.org>
2019-09-30 10:36         ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-30 11:41         ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-01 17:56           ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2019-10-01 18:02             ` Richard Henderson
2019-10-02  9:10               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-10-02 15:16                 ` Richard Henderson
2019-09-26  7:55 ` Thomas Huth
2019-09-26 15:27   ` Alex Bennée
2019-09-27 10:42 ` Mark Cave-Ayland

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