From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Crash: When Host HDD is full
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:13:22 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46966132.5010402@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707121803.50105.paul@codesourcery.com>
Paul Brook wrote:
>>>> Qemu might freeze the guest when it gets -ENOSPC, and say, retry every
>>>> second or wait for user input on the monitor.
>>>>
>>> Better would IMHO be to report an IO error to the guest and allow that to
>>> decide what to do. If you're bothered about robustness and reliability
>>> then arbitrarily stopping the guest is not acceptable behaviour. There's
>>> no guarantee that space will become available in a finite timeframe.
>>>
>> I've considered that, and I'm not sure. You will likely get a storm of
>> I/O errors on ENOSPC; with several ways for disaster to strike:
>> - the guest doesn't handle I/O errors well, and keeps writing. some of
>> the writes are overwrites so they hit the disk and data is corrupted
>>
>
> If an guest OS ignores IO write errors it's just plain broken.
>
>
Linux 2.4 ignores IO write errors under certain conditions. Yes, it's
broken. But you're making the user suffer for this brokenness even if
the only thing wrong is a temporary shortage of disk space.
>> - the guest decides the disk is bad because it has too many errors and
>> initiates some recovery procedure
>>
>> Stopping the guest at least guarantees nothing unexpected happens. If
>> it's part of a managed solution we can output a message to the monitor
>> which eventually finds its way to the operator.
>>
>
> I don't buy this argument. If you don't want "unexpected" things to happen
> then the solution is simple: Make sure you never run out of disk space.
>
That's unrealistic, at least for the casual user running qemu. A
managed solution can probably work around this.
Qemu should be more user friendly.
> The fact is that your (virtual) disk *is* broken at this point. The guest OS
> is in a much better position to decide on an appropriate course of action,
> either by retrying or some other recovery mechanism.
>
>
I don't see why it is broken. The disk contents have not changed since
after the last successful write. Once you free some space you can
continue writing.
Note that a recovery mechanism that involves writing will likely fail as
well, possibly corrupting the disk in the process.
> There are various error contitions that could be used, for example
> write-protect.
>
The guest would most likely be surprised at getting a write-protect
error on its hard disk, and then the disk *would* be broken.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-12 17:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-11 15:19 [Qemu-devel] Crash: When Host HDD is full Alexey Eremenko
2007-07-12 15:07 ` Mike Swanson
2007-07-12 16:12 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 16:17 ` Paul Brook
2007-07-12 16:38 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 17:03 ` Paul Brook
2007-07-12 17:13 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-07-12 16:22 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2007-07-12 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 18:36 ` andrzej zaborowski
2007-07-12 20:39 ` Alexey Eremenko
2007-07-19 7:25 ` Adam Bolte
2007-07-19 11:10 ` Andreas Färber
2007-07-19 11:35 ` Alexey Eremenko
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