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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Crash: When Host HDD is full
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:13:22 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46966132.5010402@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707121803.50105.paul@codesourcery.com>

Paul Brook wrote:
>>>> Qemu might freeze the guest when it gets -ENOSPC, and say, retry every
>>>> second or wait for user input on the monitor.
>>>>         
>>> Better would IMHO be to report an IO error to the guest and allow that to
>>> decide what to do. If you're bothered about robustness and reliability
>>> then arbitrarily stopping the guest is not acceptable behaviour. There's
>>> no guarantee that space will become available in a finite timeframe.
>>>       
>> I've considered that, and I'm not sure.  You will likely get a storm of
>> I/O errors on ENOSPC; with several ways for disaster to strike:
>> - the guest doesn't handle I/O errors well, and keeps writing.  some of
>> the writes are overwrites so they hit the disk and data is corrupted
>>     
>
> If an guest OS ignores IO write errors it's just plain broken.
>
>   

Linux 2.4 ignores IO write errors under certain conditions.  Yes, it's 
broken.  But you're making the user suffer for this brokenness even if 
the only thing wrong is a temporary shortage of disk space.

>> - the guest decides the disk is bad because it has too many errors and
>> initiates some recovery procedure
>>
>> Stopping the guest at least guarantees nothing unexpected happens.  If 
>> it's part of a managed solution we can output a message to the monitor
>> which eventually finds its way to the operator.
>>     
>
> I don't buy this argument.  If you don't want "unexpected" things to happen 
> then the solution is simple: Make sure you never run out of disk space. 
>   

That's unrealistic, at least for the casual user running qemu.  A 
managed solution can probably work around this.

Qemu should be more user friendly.

> The fact is that your (virtual) disk *is* broken at this point. The guest OS 
> is in a much better position to decide on an appropriate course of action, 
> either by retrying or some other recovery mechanism.
>
>   

I don't see why it is broken.  The disk contents have not changed since 
after the last successful write.  Once you free some space you can 
continue writing.

Note that a recovery mechanism that involves writing will likely fail as 
well, possibly corrupting the disk in the process.

> There are various error contitions that could be used, for example 
> write-protect.
>   

The guest would most likely be surprised at getting a write-protect 
error on its hard disk, and then the disk *would* be broken.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-12 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-11 15:19 [Qemu-devel] Crash: When Host HDD is full Alexey Eremenko
2007-07-12 15:07 ` Mike Swanson
2007-07-12 16:12   ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 16:17     ` Paul Brook
2007-07-12 16:38       ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 17:03         ` Paul Brook
2007-07-12 17:13           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-07-12 16:22     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2007-07-12 16:40       ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-12 18:36       ` andrzej zaborowski
2007-07-12 20:39         ` Alexey Eremenko
2007-07-19  7:25           ` Adam Bolte
2007-07-19 11:10             ` Andreas Färber
2007-07-19 11:35               ` Alexey Eremenko

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