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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] expose host CPU features to guests
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:46:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46DFBE4F.5080206@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200709060130.03618.paul@codesourcery.com>

Paul Brook wrote:
>>> I think qemu-cvs has a -cpu option for non-x86 which could be used for
>>> this.  Agree machine types are the wrong approach.
>>>       
>> Yep, machine types are already used to switch between a different concept
>> so using  the new -cpu option would make sense. Could perhaps extend the
>> syntax so that instead of '-cpu TYPE' it used '-cpu TYPE,FEATURES' where
>> FEATURES was an optional list of CPU features to allow
>>     
>
> I tried this for ARM, and having separate type+features isn't worth the 
> effort. The internal implementation is feature based, but IMHO there's little 
> benefit exposing that to the user. Just define appropriate CPUs for the 
> interesting feature combinations.
>
>   

The use case is different.  We don't care about the actual features, but 
about finding the greatest common denominator in a virtualization farm.  
I don't see this as useful for qemu; rather kvm and kqemu.

> Of course the x86 emulation doesn't currently support restricting the 
> architecture features available.  To make the --cpu option useful you need to 
> implement that first.
>   

Applications will not use a feature that is not present in cpuid, so 
that is not an issue.  For the virtualization use case, it is also 
impossible to turn off support for a feature.

-- 
Any sufficiently difficult bug is indistinguishable from a feature.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-06  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-05 17:45 [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests danken
2007-09-05 19:26 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-09-05 19:34   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-05 19:44     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2007-09-06  0:30       ` Paul Brook
2007-09-06  8:46         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-09-07 10:47   ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09  7:51     ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 12:47       ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 12:55         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 13:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 13:14             ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 15:25             ` Paul Brook
2007-09-09 15:29               ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 15:47                 ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 16:12                 ` Paul Brook
2007-09-09 16:38                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-10 16:53                   ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-10  7:40 ` [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests: Take 2 Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-10 11:47   ` Natalia Portillo
2007-09-10 12:01     ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-07 16:18       ` Natalia Portillo
2007-09-11 19:48         ` Luke -Jr
2007-09-10 17:16       ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-24 17:41   ` [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests: Take 3 Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25  1:28     ` andrzej zaborowski
2007-09-25  8:48       ` [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25  9:01         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25  9:19           ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25  9:31             ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 10:40               ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 11:09                 ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25 11:36                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 12:05                     ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-09-25 13:07                     ` Jocelyn Mayer
2007-09-25 13:12                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 13:27                       ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25 15:54                       ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-25 16:15                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 12:51               ` Paul Brook
2007-09-25 13:13                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25  9:29       ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-10-07 12:38     ` [Qemu-devel] x86 -cpu option: Take 4 Dan Kenigsberg

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