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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] Re: expose host CPU features to guests
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:51:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46E3A618.7030505@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070907104738.GA14723@mail.shareable.org>

Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>> I like this idea but I have some suggestions about the general approach.
>> I think instead of defining another machine type, it would be better to
>> just have a command line option like -cpuid that took a comma separate
>> string of features with "all" meaning all features that the host has.
>>     
>
> I like the idea of a flag to enable specific features, but I think
> "host" would be a better name for the features of the host.
>
> "all" seems more appropriate to enable all the features the emulator
> can support, which can include features which the host does not
> support itself.
>
> If it's a comma separated list, it would be good to be able to write
> something like this example, which selects all the host features but
> then overrides it by disabling the psn feature:
>
>    -cpuid host,-psn
>   

Yes, 'host' and 'all' make more sense the way you describe them from the 
emulator perspective.

> Is it intended that these flags will also control the actual features
> which Qemu allows or emulates, or only what cpuid reports to the guest?
>
>   

The cpuid features are sufficient (and there's precedent -- some mobile 
intel processors support pae but don't report it).

>> I also think it would be nicer to use cpuid() directly instead of
>> attempting to parse /proc/cpuinfo.
>>     
>
> Occasionally the features in /proc/cpuinfo differ from what the cpuid
> instruction reports.  They are CPU bug workarounds (features disabled
> intentionally even though cpuid reports them), CPU features which
> aren't properly reported (enabled intentionally in cpuinfo), and boot
> flag requests (features disabled due to request from the boot command
> line).
>
> I'm inclined to think the feature list in /proc/cpuinfo is more
> appropriate, for choosing the best set of host features to make
> available to guests.  It's unlikely that Qemu itself will duplicate
> the logic of known workarounds for specific, obscure, buggy host CPUs.
>
> There is also /dev/cpu/%d/cpuinfo (for %d = 0, 1, etc.) on some Linux
> distros, I think.
>   

Well, the guest will invoke its own workaround logic to disable buggy 
features, so I see no issue here.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-09  7:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-05 17:45 [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests danken
2007-09-05 19:26 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-09-05 19:34   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-05 19:44     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2007-09-06  0:30       ` Paul Brook
2007-09-06  8:46         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-07 10:47   ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09  7:51     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-09-09 12:47       ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 12:55         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 13:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 13:14             ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 15:25             ` Paul Brook
2007-09-09 15:29               ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 15:47                 ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 16:12                 ` Paul Brook
2007-09-09 16:38                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-10 16:53                   ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-10  7:40 ` [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests: Take 2 Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-10 11:47   ` Natalia Portillo
2007-09-10 12:01     ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-07 16:18       ` Natalia Portillo
2007-09-11 19:48         ` Luke -Jr
2007-09-10 17:16       ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-24 17:41   ` [Qemu-devel] expose host CPU features to guests: Take 3 Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25  1:28     ` andrzej zaborowski
2007-09-25  8:48       ` [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25  9:01         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25  9:19           ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25  9:31             ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 10:40               ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 11:09                 ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25 11:36                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 12:05                     ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-09-25 13:07                     ` Jocelyn Mayer
2007-09-25 13:12                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 13:27                       ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25 15:54                       ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-25 16:15                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 12:51               ` Paul Brook
2007-09-25 13:13                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25  9:29       ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-10-07 12:38     ` [Qemu-devel] x86 -cpu option: Take 4 Dan Kenigsberg

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