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From: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daude" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 00/11] Live update: cpr-exec
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:55:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46b63356-9602-4fa2-9d31-186f5f85151f@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zru4AaTmBIAGnyDr@x1n>

On 8/13/2024 3:46 PM, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 04:56:18PM -0400, Steven Sistare wrote:
>>> The flipside, however, is that localhost migration via 2 separate QEMU
>>> processes has issues where both QEMUs want to be opening the very same
>>> file, and only 1 of them can ever have them open.
> 
> I thought we used to have similar issue with block devices, but I assume
> it's solved for years (and whoever owns it will take proper file lock,
> IIRC, and QEMU migration should properly serialize the time window on who's
> going to take the file lock).
> 
> Maybe this is about something else?

I don't have an example where this fails.

I can cause "Failed to get "write" lock" errors if two qemu instances open
the same block device, but the error is suppressed if you add the -incoming
argument, due to this code:

   blk_attach_dev()
     if (runstate_check(RUN_STATE_INMIGRATE))
       blk->disable_perm = true;

>> Indeed, and "files" includes unix domain sockets.  

More on this -- the second qemu to bind a unix domain socket for listening
wins, and the first qemu loses it (because second qemu unlinks and recreates
the socket path before binding on the assumption that it is stale).

One must use a different name for the socket for second qemu, and clients
that wish to connect must be aware of the new port.

>> Network ports also conflict.
>> cpr-exec avoids such problems, and is one of the advantages of the method that
>> I forgot to promote.
> 
> I was thinking that's fine, as the host ports should be the backend of the
> VM ports only anyway so they don't need to be identical on both sides?
> 
> IOW, my understanding is it's the guest IP/ports/... which should still be
> stable across migrations, where the host ports can be different as long as
> the host ports can forward guest port messages correctly?

Yes, one must use a different host port number for the second qemu, and clients
that wish to connect must be aware of the new port.

That is my point -- cpr-transfer requires fiddling with such things.
cpr-exec does not.

- Steve


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-15 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-30 19:40 [PATCH V2 00/11] Live update: cpr-exec Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/11] machine: alloc-anon option Steve Sistare
2024-07-15 17:52   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-07-16  9:19   ` Igor Mammedov
2024-07-17 19:24     ` Peter Xu
2024-07-18 15:43       ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-18 16:22         ` Peter Xu
2024-07-20 20:35       ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-04 16:20         ` Peter Xu
2024-07-20 20:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-22  9:10       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-29 12:29       ` Igor Mammedov
2024-08-08 18:32         ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-12 18:37           ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 15:35             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-13 17:00               ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-13 18:45                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-13 18:56                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 18:46                 ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 18:49                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 17:34               ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 19:02                 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/11] migration: cpr-state Steve Sistare
2024-07-17 18:39   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-07-19 15:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-07-20 19:53     ` Steven Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/11] migration: save cpr mode Steve Sistare
2024-07-17 18:39   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-07-18 15:47     ` Steven Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/11] migration: stop vm earlier for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-07-17 18:59   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-07-20 20:00     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-22 13:42       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-06 20:52         ` Steven Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 05/11] physmem: preserve ram blocks " Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 06/11] migration: fix mismatched GPAs during cpr Steve Sistare
2024-07-19 16:28   ` Peter Xu
2024-07-20 21:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-07 21:04     ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 20:43       ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 20:54         ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-16 14:43           ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 17:10             ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-21 16:57               ` Peter Xu
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 07/11] oslib: qemu_clear_cloexec Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 08/11] vl: helper to request exec Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 09/11] migration: cpr-exec-command parameter Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 10/11] migration: cpr-exec save and load Steve Sistare
2024-06-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 11/11] migration: cpr-exec mode Steve Sistare
2024-07-18 15:56 ` [PATCH V2 00/11] Live update: cpr-exec Peter Xu
2024-07-20 21:26   ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-04 16:10     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-07 19:47       ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 20:12         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-20 16:28           ` [PATCH V2 00/11] Live update: cpr-exec (reconnections) Steven Sistare
2024-07-22  8:59   ` [PATCH V2 00/11] Live update: cpr-exec David Hildenbrand
2024-08-04 15:43     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-05  9:52       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-05 10:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-05 10:01   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-08-06 20:56     ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-13 19:46       ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 20:55         ` Steven Sistare [this message]
2024-08-16 15:06           ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 15:16             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-08-16 15:19               ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-16 15:34               ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 16:00                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-08-16 16:17                   ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 16:28                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-08-16 17:09                     ` Steven Sistare
2024-08-21 18:34                       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-04 20:58                         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-04 22:23                           ` Peter Xu
2024-09-05  9:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-09-05  9:43                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-09-05  9:30                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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