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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier@bull.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH][v2] Align file accesses with cache=off (O_DIRECT)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:17:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48342F05.2090603@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <483429EB.7070705@codemonkey.ws>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
> "cached" is not a terribly accurate term.  O_DIRECT avoids the host 
> page cache but it doesn't guarantee that the disk is using 
> write-through.  For that, you need to use hdparm.
>
> O_SYNC basically turns the host page cache into a write-through 
> cache.  In terms of data integrity, the only question that matters is 
> whether you're misleading the guest into thinking data is on the disk 
> when it isn't.  Both O_DIRECT and O_SYNC accomplish this.
>
> If you just are concerned with data integrity, O_SYNC is probably 
> better because you get the benefits of host caching.  O_DIRECT is 
> really for circumstances where you know that using the host page cache 
> is going to reduce performance.

In one specific circumstance O_SYNC has data integrity problems: shared 
disks with guests running on different hosts (or even a guest on one 
host, sharing a disk with another host).  In these cases, two reads can 
return different values without an intervening write.

In the general case, O_DIRECT gives better performance.  It avoids 
copying from the host pagecache to guest memory, and if you have spare 
memory to benefit from caching, give it to the guest; the nearer to the 
data consumer the cache is, the faster it performs.

In one specific case O_SYNC (or regular read/write cached operation) is 
better, rebooting the same guest over and over, as the guest cache is 
flushed on reboot.  Not a very interesting case, but unfortunately one 
that is very visible.

(if you have a backing file for a COW disk, then opening the backing 
file without O_DIRECT may be a good idea too, as the file can be shared 
among many guests).

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-21 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 11:32 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH][v2] Align file accesses with cache=off (O_DIRECT) Laurent Vivier
2008-05-20 19:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-05-20 22:36   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 22:52     ` Paul Brook
2008-05-20 22:59       ` Laurent Vivier
2008-05-21  0:54         ` Paul Brook
2008-05-21  7:59           ` Laurent Vivier
2008-05-21  0:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21  1:04         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21  1:05         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21  8:06           ` Kevin Wolf
2008-05-21  1:05         ` Paul Brook
2008-05-21  1:14           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21  8:24             ` Kevin Wolf
2008-05-21 12:26               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 12:37                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 13:41                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 13:55                     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 14:17                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-05-21 14:26                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 14:57                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 15:34                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 16:02                               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 16:24                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 16:48                                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 17:01                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-21 17:18                                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 17:47                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-21 17:53                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 18:08                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-21 18:25                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 20:13                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-21 20:35                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 20:42                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-21 18:29                                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 16:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-21 16:44                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-20 23:04     ` Laurent Vivier
2008-05-20 23:13       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21  1:00     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21  1:19       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21  2:12         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21  8:27           ` Andreas Färber
2008-05-21 14:06             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-05-21 15:31               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 11:43           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-23  9:12   ` Laurent Vivier
2008-05-28  7:01     ` Kevin Wolf

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