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From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>,
	eric.auger.pro@gmail.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org,
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	alex.bennee@linaro.org, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev,
	sebott@redhat.com, shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com,
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Subject: Re: [RFC 21/21] arm/cpu-features: Document custom vcpu model
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:07:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48637795-14b9-4b0c-9fb5-46b387be4fd0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA9y5ooPNZ7JbGmRyTKbZn5XPK+5zZgVAvnER=++kWuBrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

On 11/4/24 17:30, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 at 15:34, Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kashyap,
>>
>> On 10/28/24 22:17, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 12:17:40PM +0200, Eric Auger wrote:
>>>> From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> Add some documentation for the custom model.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  docs/system/arm/cpu-features.rst | 55 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
>>>>  1 file changed, 47 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/docs/system/arm/cpu-features.rst b/docs/system/arm/cpu-features.rst
>>>> index a5fb929243..962a2c6c26 100644
>>>> --- a/docs/system/arm/cpu-features.rst
>>>> +++ b/docs/system/arm/cpu-features.rst
>>>> @@ -2,7 +2,10 @@ Arm CPU Features
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> +Using the ``host`` type means the guest is provided all the same CPU
>>>> +features as the host CPU type has.  And, for this reason, the ``host``
>>>> +CPU type should enable all CPU features that the host has by default.
>>>> +
>>>> +In case some features need to be hidden to the guest, ``custom`` model
>>>> +shall be used instead. This is especially useful for migration purpose.
>>>> +
>>>> +The ``custom`` CPU model generally is the better choice if you want more
>>>> +flexibility or stability across different machines or with different kernel
>>>> +versions.
>>> Does "more flexibility or stability across different machines" also
>>> imply "live migration compatiblity across host CPUs"?
>> yes that's the goal
>>>> However, even the ``custom`` CPU model will not allow configuring
>>>> +an arbitrary set of features; the ID registers must describe a subset of the
>>>> +host's features, and all differences to the host's configuration must actually
>>>> +be supported by the kernel to be deconfigured.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> +The ``custom`` CPU model needs to be configured via individual ID register
>>>> +field properties, for example::
>>>> +
>>>> +  $ qemu-system-aarch64 -M virt -cpu custom,SYSREG_ID_AA64ISAR0_EL1_DP=0x0
>>> If possible, it would be really helpful (and user-friendly) to be able
>>> to specify the CPU feature names as you see under /proc/cpuinfo, and be
>>> able to turn the flags on or off:
>>>
>>>         -M virt -cpu franken,rndr=on,ts=on,fhm=off
>>>
>>> (... instead of specifying long system register IDs that groups together
>>> a bunch of CPU features.  If I understand it correctly, the register
>>> "ID_AA64ISAR0_EL1" maps to a set of visible features listed here:
>>> https://docs.kernel.org/arch/arm64/cpu-feature-registers.html)
>> Not all the writable ID regs are visible through the above technique.
>> But indeed I think we converged on the idea to use higher level feature
>> names than ID reg field values.
>> However we need to study the feasibility and mappings between those high
>> level features and ID reg field values.
>> The cons is that we need to describe this mapping manually. Besides
>> being cumbersome this is also error prone.
> You might be interested in "Arm Architecture Features" on
> https://developer.arm.com/Architectures/A-Profile%20Architecture#Downloads
> which includes a 1.8MB Features.json which is a machine
> readable version of the "what are the features and their
> dependencies and ID registers and so on" information.
thank you for the link.
>
> But note that (a) it is alpha quality and (b) I am not personally
> going to try to interpret what might be reasonable to do with it
> based on the legal notice attached to it: that's a matter for
> you and your lawyer ;-)

Thank you for the notice. This may be similar to the ARM xml mentioned
by Marc...

Eric
>
> -- PMM
>



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-04 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-25 10:17 [RFC 00/21] kvm/arm: Introduce a customizable aarch64 KVM host model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 01/21] kvm: kvm_get_writable_id_regs Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 02/21] arm/cpu: Add sysreg definitions in cpu-sysegs.h Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 03/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64isar0 into the idregs arrays Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 04/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64isar1/2 into the idregs array Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 05/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64drf0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 06/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64mmfr0-3 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 07/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64drf0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 08/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64smfr0 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 09/21] arm/cpu: Store id_isar0-7 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 10/21] arm/cpu: Store id_mfr0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 11/21] arm/cpu: Store id_dfr0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 12/21] arm/cpu: Store id_mmfr0-5 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 13/21] arm/cpu: Add infra to handle generated ID register definitions Eric Auger
2024-10-25 12:55   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 14/21] arm/cpu: Add sysreg generation scripts Eric Auger
2024-10-25 17:05   ` Marc Zyngier
2024-11-04 13:33     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 15/21] arm/cpu: Add generated files Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 16/21] arm/kvm: Allow reading all the writable ID registers Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 17/21] arm/kvm: write back modified ID regs to KVM Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 18/21] arm/cpu: Introduce a customizable kvm host cpu model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:06   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 13:18     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:23       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:00         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:15           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:16         ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-28 16:25           ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:35           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:48             ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-28 16:56               ` Oliver Upton
2024-10-30 16:15                 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-30 16:27                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 17:09                 ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 17:16                   ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 18:15                     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-28 17:04               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 14:27                 ` Eric Auger
2024-11-11 14:29                   ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-12 16:30                     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-12 18:28                       ` Eric Auger
2024-11-29 15:10                         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-29 15:42                           ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-29 15:51                             ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-14 15:44                     ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 19/21] virt: Allow custom vcpu model in arm virt Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 20/21] arm-qmp-cmds: introspection for custom model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 21/21] arm/cpu-features: Document custom vcpu model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 13:28     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:31       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:05         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:09           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:29             ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-31 12:24               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-31 12:59                 ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 14:45             ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 14:55               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 15:10                 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-04 15:24                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 15:48                     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 21:17   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-11-04 15:34     ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 16:30       ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 17:07         ` Eric Auger [this message]
2024-11-04 18:29         ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-25 12:49 ` [RFC 00/21] kvm/arm: Introduce a customizable aarch64 KVM host model Cornelia Huck
2024-10-25 14:51 ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-28 16:20   ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:44     ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 15:52   ` Eric Auger

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