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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] PATCH: Control over drive open modes for backing file
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:09:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48934347.7040102@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18579.15930.393041.733173@mariner.uk.xensource.com>

Ian Jackson wrote:
> Anthony Liguori writes ("Re: [Qemu-devel] PATCH: Control over drive open modes for backing file"):
>   
>> Right, but my point is that ,mode=ro does not have to force QEMU to open 
>> the file O_RDONLY.  It simply needs to prevent writes from happening.
>>     
>
> Well, yes, but actually it's probably most reliable to do it that way.
> Given that this is a security feature we want to avoid accidentally
> `missing' a case.  So we should definitely open the underlying file(s)
> O_RDONLY.
>   

That is an implementation detail, and should be dependent on the 
underlying file format.  For instance, I completely agree that this 
should be the behaviour for raw images.  I don't agree that this should 
be the behaviour with qcow2 though.

FWIW, this isn't a major security improvement.  It's pretty darn easy to 
audit the single calling location where a file can be written to :-)

> If we do that then the guest definitely won't be able to write as if
> it manages to persuade qemu to try qemu will just get an error.  This
> is fine I think, if we can expose the read-only status to the guest.
>
>   
>> But it's important to be able to expose this property to the guest, so 
>> ,mode=ro should not be allowed for disks that do not support exposing 
>> their read-only-ness to the guest.
>>     
>
> I agree that it would be an unusual thing to do, to expose a ro disk
> in a way that doesn't support advertising the ro flag.  But I think it
> should still be possible perhaps with some kind of force option.
>   

There's no good reason to do this and it's just going to result in 
confusing users.  You can approximate the same functionality by using 
,snapshot=on while giving the guest predictable behaviour.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Ian.
>
>
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-01 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-31 11:31 [Qemu-devel] PATCH: Control over drive open modes for backing file Daniel P. Berrange
2008-07-31 12:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 13:08   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-07-31 13:34 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-07-31 13:46   ` Paul Brook
2008-07-31 13:55     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-07-31 15:05       ` Blue Swirl
2008-07-31 16:01         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 16:10           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-07-31 18:07           ` Blue Swirl
2008-07-31 14:58     ` Chris Wedgwood
2008-07-31 18:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-31 18:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 19:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-01  7:46       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-01 15:14         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-01  9:18   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-01 14:48     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-01 16:47       ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-01 17:09         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-08-01 17:10         ` Jamie Lokier

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