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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:37:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48B52E76.6080900@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080827102324.GE25099@redhat.com>

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:00:16AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Daniel P. Berrange writes ("Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support"):
>>> There's no requirement from libvirt itself - just whatever infrastructure
>>> libvirt is using. So just a message about XenD/xm would be sufficient.
>> Right, but I just wanted to avoid the situation where a naive user
>> sees `not for xm/xend systems' and thinks `that's not me because I'm
>> using libvirt'.
> 
> They could be right in that thinking though - if using libvirt's QEMU
> backend, instead of XenD backend, then it'd be fine to launch VMs
> manually. Only the presence of XenD places constraints on usage.

What constrains btw?

I'd expect with libvirt managing domains via qemu -xen-create and xend
managing domains via -xen-attach basically run into the same class of
problems if the user starts booting domains manually.

The most obvious issue would be is that domain IDs are in use by the
user-started domains which the management stack thinks are unused and
thus might be allocated for new domains.  Likewise, both management
stacks will find domains in xenstore they don't know anything about.

So I don't see a fundamental difference between libvirt and xend here.

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-27 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-21 16:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] merge some xen bits into qemu Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] Handle terminating signals Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:11   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]   ` <m2n.s.1KWGbo-001Nr9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:44     ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:16       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 12:36         ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:58           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 17:55             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 13:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 13:38             ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:52               ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 17:49                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 15:04               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:08                 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:20                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:28                     ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:36                       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 17:47                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:03                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:50                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27  9:46                           ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 16:27                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 16:35                               ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 17:55                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27 18:41                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-28  9:34                                   ` Ian Jackson
2008-09-07  2:41                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:36                       ` Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 15:21                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]               ` <m2n.s.1KXzwZ-002RA9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:23                 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:29                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <m2n.s.1KY0XT-002RJM@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:38                     ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 16:12                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 16:14                         ` Julian Seward
2008-08-26 16:39                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27  8:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-27  8:49                             ` Alan Cox
2008-08-27  9:10                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-27  9:16                                 ` Keir Fraser
2008-08-27  9:12                               ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]             ` <m2n.s.1KXz4u-002Qvq@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 14:55               ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] add DisplayState->idle Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Samuel Thibault
2008-08-21 20:12   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] add container_of() macro to osdep.h Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:12   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] move GUI_REFRESH_INTERVAL define from vl.c to console.h Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:12   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:18   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] xen: backend driver core Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] xen: add console backend driver Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] xen: add framebuffer " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] xen: add block device " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] xen: add net " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] xen: blk & nic configuration via cmd line Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] set vnc password from xenstore Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:14   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 20:19     ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 20:22       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 20:26         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 21:34         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 21:48           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 22:36             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-24  9:03               ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-22  7:04             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-22 19:11               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-22 19:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 22:34           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-22  8:27             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-24  8:57         ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-24  9:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-24 10:07             ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-24 12:48               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 20:59       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 21:29       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 10:13     ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 20:17   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 21:25     ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]     ` <m2n.s.1KWHfl-001Ntw@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:47       ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] xen: pv domain builder Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDD7-002TB9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:31   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:34     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 12:57     ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:20       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 13:23         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:33           ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:14             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:31               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:40                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:49                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:53                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 19:24                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:53                     ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27  8:51                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27  9:53                         ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27  9:56                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:00                             ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 10:23                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:37                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2008-08-27 10:44                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 11:01                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]             ` <m2n.s.1KXzR5-002R2A@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:05               ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:09                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:24       ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:50         ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDfC-002TCd@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
     [not found]   ` <m2n.s.1KWDGv-002TBJ@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
     [not found]     ` <m2n.s.1KWDEt-002TBA@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:42       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] xen: pv domain builder Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 10:50         ` [Xen-devel] " Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 13:43           ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 21:00           ` Markus Armbruster
2008-08-26 12:55         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 13:14           ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:53             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:19               ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 20:00                 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27  9:48                   ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:56             ` Gerd Hoffmann

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