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From: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com>,
	Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier@bull.net>,
	kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Disk integrity in QEMU
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:42:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48F2EDEB.5040906@aurel32.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48F2ADD9.9000804@redhat.com>

Mark Wagner a écrit :
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Mark Wagner wrote:
>>> If you stopped and listened to yourself, you'd see that you are making 
>>> my point...
>>>
>>> AFAIK, QEMU is neither designed nor intended to be an Enterprise 
>>> Storage Array,
>>> I thought this group is designing a virtualization layer.  However, 
>>> the persistent
>>> argument is that since Enterprise Storage products will often 
>>> acknowledge a write
>>> before the data is actually on the disk, its OK for QEMU to do the same.
>> I think you're a little lost in this thread.  We're going to have QEMU 
>> only acknowledge writes when they complete.  I've already sent out a 
>> patch.  Just waiting a couple days to let everyone give their input.
>>
> Actually, I'm just don't being clear enough in trying to point out that I
> don't think just setting a default value for "cache" goes far enough. My
> argument has nothing to do with the default value. It has to do with what the
> right thing to do is in specific situations regardless of the value of the
> cache setting.
> 
> My point is that if a file is opened in the guest with the O_DIRECT (or O_DSYNC)
> then QEMU *must* honor that regardless of whatever value the current value of
> "cache" is.
> 
> So, if the system admin for the host decides to set cache=on and something
> in the guest opens a file with O_DIRECT, I feel that it is a violation
> of the system call for the host to cache the write in its local cache w/o
> sending it immediately to the storage subsystem. It must get an ACK from
> the storage subsystem before it can return to the guest in order to preserve
> the guarantee.
> 
> So, if your proposed default value for the cache is in effect, then O_DSYNC
> should provide the write-thru required by the guests use of O_DIRECT on the
> writes.  However, if the default cache value is not used and its set to
> cache=on, and if the guest is using O_DIRECT or O_DSYNC, I feel there are
> issues that need to be addressed.
> 

Everybody agrees that we should support data integrity *by default*. But
please admit that some persons have different needs than yours, and
actually *want* to lie to the guest. We should propose such and option,
with a *big warning*.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-13  6:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 17:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Disk integrity in QEMU Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10  7:54 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-10-10  8:12   ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-10-12 23:10     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-14 17:15       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10  9:32   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 23:00     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-10  8:11 ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-10-10 12:26   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 12:53     ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 13:55       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 14:05         ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 14:19         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:14           ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19  9:13             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 15:48     ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-10-10  9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10  9:58   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-10-10 10:26     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 12:59       ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 13:20         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 12:34   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 12:56     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-11  9:07     ` andrzej zaborowski
2008-10-11 17:54   ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-11 20:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12  0:43       ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-12  1:50         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-12 16:22           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-12 17:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:14           ` nuitari-qemu
2008-10-13  0:27           ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13  1:21             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13  2:09               ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13  3:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13  6:42                 ` Aurelien Jarno [this message]
2008-10-13 14:38                 ` Steve Ofsthun
2008-10-12  0:44       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-12 10:21         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 14:37           ` Dor Laor
2008-10-12 15:35             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-12 18:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-15 10:17               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-10-12 17:59           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:34             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 19:33               ` Izik Eidus
2008-10-14 17:08                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 19:59               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 20:43                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 21:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 15:21                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-14 15:32                       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 15:43                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-14 19:25                       ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16  9:47                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 10:12       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:20         ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19  9:01           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:10             ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 18:23               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 19:17                 ` M. Warner Losh
2008-10-19 19:31                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:24               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:36                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 19:11                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 19:30                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 20:16                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-20 14:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 10:03 ` Fabrice Bellard
2008-10-13 16:11 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 16:58   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13 17:36     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-13 17:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ryan Harper
2008-10-13 18:43   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 16:42     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 18:51   ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 19:43     ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-13 20:21       ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 21:05         ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-15 13:10           ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16 10:24             ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16 13:43               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-16 16:08                 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-17 12:48                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:17                   ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-14 10:05       ` Kevin Wolf
2008-10-14 14:32         ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-14 16:37       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 19:00   ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13 19:15     ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-14 16:49       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 17:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2008-10-13 18:22   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-13 18:34     ` Rik van Riel
2008-10-14  1:56       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-14  2:28         ` nuitari-qemu
2008-10-28 17:34 ` Ian Jackson
2008-10-28 17:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-28 17:50     ` Ian Jackson
2008-10-28 18:19       ` Jamie Lokier

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