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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	chrisw@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2 of 5] add can_dma/post_dma for direct IO
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:48:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4944117C.6030404@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4943E68E.3030400@codemonkey.ws>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>> - DMA into mmio regions; this requires bouncing
>
> The map() API I proposed above should do bouncing to MMIO regions.  To
> deal with unbounded allocation, you can simply fail when the mapping
> allocation has reached some high limit.  Calling code needs to cope
> with the fact that map'ing may succeed or fail.

There are N users of this code, all of which would need to cope with the
failure.  Or there could be one user (dma.c) which handles the failure
and the bouncing.

dma.c _is_ a map/unmap api, except it doesn't expose the mapped data,
which allows it to control scheduling as well as be easier to use.

>
>> - DMA with an associated transform (xor, byteswap); also requires
>> bouncing
>
> At this layer of the API, this is unnecessary.  At the PCI layer, you
> would need to handle this and I'd suggest taking the same approach as
> above.

I agree to _map()/_unmap(), but it's not a solution by itself.

>
>> In turn, bouncing requires splitting large requests to avoid
>> unbounded memory allocation.
>>
>> While I think _map/_unmap is an improvement over can_dma(), this API
>> can't handle bounded bouncing, and so a separate layer (dma.c) is
>> still necessary.
>
> I think it can handled bounded bouncing fine.  It's a matter of
> ensuring the bounce buffer max is sufficiently large and ensuring that
> any client code can cope with map failures.  In fact, there probably
> needs to be a notifiers API that is invoked whenever an unmap()
> happens so that if an asynchronous request is waiting because of a map
> failure, it can be notified as to when it should try again.

Right, but who would it notify?

We need some place that can deal with this, and it isn't
_map()/_unmap(), and it isn't ide.c or scsi.c.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-13 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-12 18:16 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0 of 5] dma api v3 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1 of 5] fix cpu_physical_memory len Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:26     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2 of 5] add can_dma/post_dma for direct IO Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:00   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 19:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:05       ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 20:10         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 20:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:25       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-12-12 19:39     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13  9:22       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-13 16:45         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 19:48           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-12-13 21:07             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14  6:03               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 19:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 23:08                     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  0:57                       ` Paul Brook
2008-12-15  2:09                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  6:23                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-15 18:35                       ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-15 22:06                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16  9:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16 16:55                             ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 17:09                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16 17:48                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16 18:11                                   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 15:57                           ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 16:29                             ` Paul Brook
2008-12-16 16:35                               ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-14 17:30       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-12-13 14:39     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 16:46       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 16:53         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 17:54           ` Andreas Färber
2008-12-13 21:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 16:47             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 17:01               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 17:15                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 19:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-22 16:44                     ` Ian Jackson
2008-12-22 19:44                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-23  0:03                         ` Thiemo Seufer
2008-12-23  1:02                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-23 17:31                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-22 19:46                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-05 10:27                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-12-13 22:47     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14  6:07       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3 of 5] rename dma.c to isa_dma.c Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4 of 5] dma api Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:55   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5 of 5] bdrv_aio_readv/writev Andrea Arcangeli

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