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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Vmchannel PCI device.
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:56:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49458F31.8040208@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081214221346.GA16902@redhat.com>

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 01:15:42PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
> One non-QEMU backend I can see being implemented is a DBus daemon,
> providing a simple bus for RPC calls between guests & host.

The main problem with "external" backends is that they cannot easily 
participate in save/restore or live migration.  If you want to have an 
RPC mechanism, I would suggest implementing the backend in QEMU and 
hooking QEMU up to dbus.  Then you can implement proper save/restore.

>  Or on
> a similar theme, perhaps a QPid message broker in the host OS. Yet
> another backend is a clustering service providing a virtual fence
> device to VMs.

Why not use virtual networking for a clustering service (as you would in 
real machines).

>  All of these would live outside QEMU, and as such
> exposing the backend using the character device infrastructure 
> is a natural fit.
>   

If you don't have QEMU as a broker, it makes it very hard for QEMU to 
virtualization all of the resources exposed to the guest.  This 
complicates things like save/restore and complicates security policies 
since you now have things being done on behalf of a guest originating 
from another process.  It generally breaks the model of guest-as-a-process.

What's the argument to do these things external to QEMU?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Daniel
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-14 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-14 11:50 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Vmchannel PCI device Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:28 ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-14 13:12   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 19:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:37       ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 22:52         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  9:20           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-15  9:25           ` Dan Kenigsberg
2008-12-15 15:43           ` Dan Kenigsberg
2008-12-14 22:13       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-14 22:56         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-12-14 23:33           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-15  1:18             ` Thiemo Seufer
2008-12-15  2:03             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  9:47               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-14 19:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:44   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15  0:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2008-12-15  1:50   ` Anthony Liguori

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