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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:47:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49DDFC5C.4080504@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49DDFAD5.7060808@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
>  hotplug disk
>  -ENOSPC on disk
>
> It's true that events don't correlate directly to commands, but they 
> do correlate to the state of the system and that is affected by commands.

events are time stamped.  In non-human mode, I think command responses 
should be time stamped too so that a management tool knows when the 
event was generated and can correlate the system state to the particular 
event.

>>>   Sure, we'll need to make sure notifications don't mix with command 
>>> responses, and that all commands are acked (the (qemu) prompt serves 
>>> that purpose now), but it seems to me do be a lot easier for the 
>>> management end.
>>
>> FWIW, you can have asynchronous completion of monitor commands.  See 
>> migration as an example.  The (qemu) prompt is the ack that the 
>> command is finished.  You can only have one async command per monitor 
>> session which is why you need multiple monitors.
>
> Migration has the -d switch to be truly async (not to wait).  We need 
> an async notifier to tell us migration has finished or failed.

Multiplexing multiple monitor sessions AFAICT is going to require a 
non-human mode.  But it's totally orthogonal to this patch set.  You 
could implement it today if you wanted.

>>
>> If we had a non-human monitor mode, I think it would be fine to have 
>> many monitors multiplexed over a single channel.  The internal 
>> monitor abstraction doesn't change.
>
> I don't understand why we need to multiplex many monitors over one 
> channel.  Let's keep one monitor, but with the ability to send 
> notifications to the other end.

I don't understand how you think it would be implemented.  Each command 
is going to have a unique 'Monitor *' associated with it.  How that ends 
up being displayed to the user/management tool is irrelevant.  Right 
now, you can only have one 'Monitor *' active on a single "channel" at a 
time.  This is mostly a matter of output format.  I don't see how we can 
keep the monitor output consistent and compatible as it stands today and 
still support multiple 'Monitor *'s active in a single channel.

-- 
Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-09 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-08 18:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/6] Introduce monitor 'wait' command (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:34   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/6] Introduce wait filtering (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/6] Document new events (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/6] Implement vm-state notifications (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/6] Implement vnc-event " Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:43   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2/6] Introduce monitor 'wait' command (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 19:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2009-04-08 19:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 11:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 13:58       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:19         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09  8:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2) Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:28   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 13:40     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:47       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-04-09 14:03         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:13           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 14:28             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:30               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 14:37                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:57                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 15:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 15:40                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 15:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 16:30                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 17:00                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 17:40                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-11 16:25                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 20:18                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-11 21:14                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 18:42                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14  8:30                                             ` [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2009-04-14  9:15                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14  9:17                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-04-14  9:29                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-14  9:36                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14  9:38                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 18:21                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14 18:19                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-16  9:03                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 23:16                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2009-04-12  8:23                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2009-04-14  8:28                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-14 18:20                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-11 19:11                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 21:47                                   ` Andreas Färber
2009-04-12 18:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-09 16:01                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-09 14:15           ` [libvirt] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-09 14:19             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:56               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09 15:15                 ` François Revol
2009-04-09 15:15                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 15:49                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09 16:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:07                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-11 20:54 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 21:51   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12  8:48     ` Avi Kivity

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