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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:18:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E0FB00.8080500@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49E0C47F.9070501@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
>> IMHO, multiple monitors is a critical feature to support in the long 
>> term.
>
> Multiple monitors are nice to have (for developers), but I don't see 
> them as critical.

If you live in a world where there is a single management application 
that provides the only interface to interact with a QEMU instance, then 
yes, they aren't critical.

The problem with this is that most management applications are lossy by 
their nature.  They expose only a subset of functionality supported by QEMU.

Currently, the monitor is the "management interface" for QEMU.  If we 
only every support one instance of that management interface, then it 
means if multiple management applications are to interact with a given 
QEMU instance, they must all use a single API to do that then allows for 
multiplexing.  I see no reason that QEMU shouldn't do the multiplexing 
itself though.

To put it another way, a user that uses libvirt today cannot see QEMU 
instances that are run manually.  That is not true when a user uses 
libvirt with Xen today because Xend provides a management interface that 
is capable of supporting multiple clients.  I think it's important to 
get the same level of functionality for QEMU.

N.B. yes, Xend is a horrendous example especially when your argument has 
been simplicity vs. complexity.

At the end of the day, I want to be able to run a QEMU instance from the 
command line, and have virt-manager be able to see it remotely and 
connect to it.  That means multiple monitors and it means that all 
commands that change VM state must generate some sort of notification 
such that libvirt can keep track of the changing state of a VM.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-11 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-08 18:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/6] Introduce monitor 'wait' command (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:34   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/6] Introduce wait filtering (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/6] Document new events (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/6] Implement vm-state notifications (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:35         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/6] Implement vnc-event " Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 18:43   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2/6] Introduce monitor 'wait' command (v2) Anthony Liguori
2009-04-08 19:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2009-04-08 19:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 11:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 13:58       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:19         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09  8:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] Allow multiple monitor devices (v2) Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:28   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 13:40     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 13:47       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 14:03         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:13           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 14:28             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:30               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 14:37                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:57                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 15:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 15:40                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 15:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 16:30                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-09 17:00                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 17:40                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-11 16:25                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 20:18                                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-04-11 21:14                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 18:42                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14  8:30                                             ` [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2009-04-14  9:15                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14  9:17                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-04-14  9:29                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-14  9:36                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14  9:38                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 18:21                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14 18:19                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-16  9:03                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 23:16                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2009-04-12  8:23                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2009-04-14  8:28                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-14 18:20                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-11 19:11                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 21:47                                   ` Andreas Färber
2009-04-12 18:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-09 16:01                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-09 14:15           ` [libvirt] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-09 14:19             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 14:56               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09 15:15                 ` François Revol
2009-04-09 15:15                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 15:49                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-09 16:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-09 16:07                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-11 20:54 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 21:51   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12  8:48     ` Avi Kivity

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