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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 9/9] Introduce VLANClientState::cleanup()
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:46:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F732F4.6020708@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200904281308.26203.paul@codesourcery.com>

Paul Brook wrote:
> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
>   
>> However, the way I see it is that the VLANClientState should "own" the
>> PCIDevice, not the other way around - e.g. you want to free the device,
>> you should do qemu_del_vlan_client(), rather than
>> pci_device_unregister().
>>     
>
> I disagree. This makes it impossible to have multiport devices.
> The controlling entity should be the device, not the vlan interface.
>   

I agree.  The biggest problem with the current API (and most QEMU APIs) 
is there's no way to associate host configuration with the function's 
devices implement.  Instead, host configurations are associated with 
actual devices which implies that all devices implement one function.  
This is clearly wrong.

For example, the way this all should work is (ignore the current VLAN 
concept in QEMU, it's orthogonal to this discussion):

1) Network backend is created.  As part of the configuration of the 
backend, a unique device identifier is associated with it.
2) A PCI device is created.
  a) The PCI device creates one or more Network frontends.  Each 
frontend carries the device identifier and perhaps something like a port id.
  b) When the PCI device is destroyed, it destroys any frontends it owns.

The unique device identifier could be a device tree path, or it could be 
something more opaque that is later correlated to a device tree path.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> This is related to some of the issues I've raised with the machine config 
> patches. IMO it's important to consider how this kind of internat interaction 
> should actually work, rather than blindly implementing whatever we currently 
> expose to the user.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-15 16:29 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/9] Misc networking fixes Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/9] Remove stray GSO code from virtio_net Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] struct iovec is now universally available Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/9] Fix error handling in net_client_init() Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/9] Don't fail PCI hotplug if no NIC model is supplied Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/9] Remove some useless malloc() checking Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/9] Remove NICInfo from e1000 and mipsnet state Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/9] Add unregister_savevm() Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/9] Use NICInfo::model for eepro100 savevm ID string Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 16:29                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 9/9] Introduce VLANClientState::cleanup() Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 17:34                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2009-04-16  1:07                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-04-16  3:24                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-04-16 14:49                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-16 14:52                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/09 v2] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-16 14:53                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/09] Free VLANClientState using qemu_free() Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-16 20:44                         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 9/9] Introduce VLANClientState::cleanup() Marcelo Tosatti
2009-04-28 12:08                         ` Paul Brook
2009-04-28 16:46                           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-04-28 17:17                             ` Paul Brook
2009-04-28 17:25                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 17:46                                 ` Paul Brook
2009-04-28 17:49                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 18:28                                     ` Paul Brook
2009-04-28 21:38                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-29 10:37                                         ` Paul Brook
2009-04-30 13:45                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 16:02                                             ` Paul Brook
2009-04-30 16:20                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 16:31                                                 ` Paul Brook
2009-04-30 16:32                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 16:37                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 16:41                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 16:58                                                         ` Paul Brook
2009-04-30 17:51                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 16:33                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 16:32                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 16:57                                                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-04-30 17:11                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 17:45                                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 17:48                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 18:17                                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 18:19                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 18:22                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 17:59                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 18:10                                                         ` Blue Swirl
2009-04-30 18:20                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 18:32                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-30 18:57                                                             ` Blue Swirl
2009-04-30 18:16                                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29  7:36                             ` Markus Armbruster
2009-04-16 14:49                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 17:13           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 5/9] Remove some useless malloc() checking Jan Kiszka
2009-04-15 16:55     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] struct iovec is now universally available Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-15 17:25       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-04-15 17:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-15 21:18         ` François Revol
2009-04-15 21:52           ` M. Warner Losh
2009-04-15 17:44       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-04-17 18:06   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/9] Remove stray GSO code from virtio_net Anthony Liguori

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