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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
Cc: Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: Configuration vs. compat hints [was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities]
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:20:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A365890.1050106@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1245074447.3222.53.camel@blaa>

Mark McLoughlin wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 07:48 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>>> Eventually the 
>>> default configuration becomes increasingly unusable and you need a new 
>>> baseline.  You must still be able to fall back to the old baseline for 
>>> older guests.  I don't think games with configuration files can hide 
>>> that.
>>>       
>> -M pc1
>> -M pc2
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> This is pretty easy to maintain with config files.
>>     
>
> I think this would be reasonable, but it is essentially just a version
> number which you objected to on the basis that it would make
> cherry-picking harder for distros.
>   

It doesn't have to be pc1, pc2.  It could be pc-with-usb or 
pc-with-balloon.  If a distro cherry picks in such a way that their pc 
is not a standard QEMU pc, they would add a new PC type that's specific 
to their distro.

> One thing that would be nice with this '-M pc1' thing would be to retain
> '-M pc' as a symlink to the latest version. We'd also need a way to read
> the symlink too, so that you can query what the current latest version
> is and use that in future.
>   

Another option is an explicit -M default which always uses the default 
machine for the architecture.  Likewise, we would need a way to query 
what the default machine was for an architecture.

> How would this machine type version relate to e.g. changing the default
> PCI class of virtio-blk? Would we bump the version number of all machine
> types can use virtio-blk?
>   
You would introduce a new machine type.  For instance, 
pc-virtio-class-other.  The names don't have to look like that, I'm just 
doing that to make a point.  This may mean that you end up with dozens 
of machine types but you preserve compatibility, which is a good thing.

Of course, the flip side is that you make preserving the machine config 
the duty of the user and we don't maintain compatible machine types.  
This won't work without a proper config file though so for now, we're 
stuck maintaining machine types.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-15 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 184+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-06-05 10:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 01/13] qemu: make default_write_config use mask table Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 02/13] qemu: capability bits in pci save/restore Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 17:11   ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10  9:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:55       ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10 15:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 15:24           ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 15:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 17:43             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-10 18:22               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 19:27                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-12  8:43                   ` Configuration vs. compat hints [was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities] Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 13:59                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-12 14:48                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 14:51                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-12 15:41                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 16:11                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-12 16:48                           ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 17:00                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-12 17:31                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 17:44                                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-12 17:55                                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-16 18:38                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-14  9:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15  9:08                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-15  9:27                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 10:32                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 10:44                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-06-15 10:46                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 10:52                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-06-15 11:07                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 11:14                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-06-15 11:34                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 11:27                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 11:48                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 11:56                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 12:41                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 12:50                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 12:52                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:09                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:23                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:42                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:51                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 14:06                                                         ` Dor Laor
2009-06-15 14:24                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 14:37                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 15:03                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 15:08                                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-15 15:12                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2009-06-15 15:15                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 18:32                                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-17  6:38                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-17 11:51                                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-15 16:27                                                                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-15 17:13                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 15:05                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 15:11                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 16:27                                                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-15 17:09                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 18:12                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 18:21                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 18:24                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 18:44                                                                     ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-16  8:56                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 12:14                                                                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-16 12:28                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 12:39                                                                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-16 12:51                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 18:44                                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-17  8:33                                                                           ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-17  9:03                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-17  9:18                                                                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-17  9:26                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-17 11:58                                                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24  8:04                                                                       ` Dietmar Maurer
2009-07-07 11:08                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Change virtio blk/console PCI classes and introduce compat machine type [was Re: Configuration vs. compat hints] Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-07 11:09                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] Change default PCI class of virtio-blk to PCI_CLASS_STORAGE_SCSI Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-07 11:09                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] Change default PCI class of virtio-console to PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_OTHER Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-07 11:10                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Add a pc-0-10 machine type for compatibility with 0.10.x Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-07 12:01                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-08 10:46                                                                             ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-08 10:48                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3 v2] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-08 13:00                                                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-08 13:44                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-08 14:09                                                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-08 15:08                                                                                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-08 19:07                                                                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-08 21:45                                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-09  7:56                                                                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-09  8:39                                                                                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-09  8:50                                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-09  8:57                                                                                                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-09  9:04                                                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-09  9:05                                                                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-09 10:01                                                                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-09 13:31                                                                                                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-09 13:47                                                                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-09 13:35                                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-09 13:55                                                                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-09 16:09                                                                                                       ` Paul Brook
2009-07-09 11:51                                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-09 13:29                                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-09 13:59                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-09 15:00                                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-21 14:21                                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add pc-0.11 machine type and make pc an alias to it Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-21 14:21                                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Remove the pc-0-10 machine type Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-21 14:49                                                                                                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-22  2:14                                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-22  8:56                                                                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-07-22  9:05                                                                                                         ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-22  9:02                                                                                                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-22  9:02                                                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] Add machine type aliases Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-22  9:02                                                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Add a pc-0.11 machine type and make the pc type an alias Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-23 13:34                                                                                                           ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-21 14:21                                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Remove the virtio-{blk, console}-pci-0-10 device types Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-21 14:21                                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] Add machine type aliases Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-21 14:21                                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add a pc-0.11 machine type and make the pc type an alias Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-09  8:00                                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3 v2] Add a pc-0-10 machine type for compatibility with 0.10.x Avi Kivity
2009-07-15 11:27                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] Change default PCI class of virtio-console to PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_OTHER Amit Shah
2009-06-15 11:35                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Configuration vs. compat hints Markus Armbruster
2009-06-15 11:43                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 11:59                                       ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-15 12:41                                       ` Markus Armbruster
2009-06-15 12:50                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 14:23                                       ` Javier Guerra
2009-06-15 12:41                                   ` Configuration vs. compat hints [was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities] Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 12:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:04                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Configuration vs. compat hints Markus Armbruster
2009-06-15  9:43                               ` Configuration vs. compat hints [was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities] Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 10:29                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 12:45                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:03                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:20                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:35                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:45                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:54                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 15:07                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 15:11                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 15:20                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 15:26                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:17                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-14  7:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-12 14:55                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-12 15:53                       ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-12 16:12                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-12 16:48                           ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-14  7:58                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15  5:32                               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Configuration vs. compat hints Markus Armbruster
2009-06-15  9:09                               ` Configuration vs. compat hints [was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 03/13] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities] Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-15 11:32                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 12:48                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:12                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 13:24                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-15 13:43                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15 14:00                                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-15 14:20                                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-06-15 14:34                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15 15:11                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-14  9:34                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-14  9:37                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-14  9:47                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-15  9:38                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15  9:02                           ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 04/13] qemu: helper routines for pci access Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 05/13] qemu: MSI-X support functions Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 17:26   ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10  9:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 06/13] qemu: add flag to disable MSI-X by default Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 07/13] qemu: minimal MSI/MSI-X implementation for PC Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 17:33   ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10  9:59     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 08/13] qemu: add support for resizing regions Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 17:36   ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10 10:05     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 10:46     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 09/13] qemu: virtio support for many interrupt vectors Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 10/13] qemu: MSI-X support in virtio PCI Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 11/13] qemu: request 3 vectors in virtio-net Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 12/13] qemu: virtio save/load bindings Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 17:45   ` Glauber Costa
2009-06-10 10:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 11:33     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-05 10:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv3 13/13] qemu: add pci_get/set_byte Michael S. Tsirkin

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