From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Coreboot <coreboot@coreboot.org>,
Stefan Reinauer <stepan@coresystems.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>,
Patrick Georgi <patrick@georgi-clan.de>
Subject: Re: [coreboot] [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:51:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC9F9FD.60309@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AC9F34F.80105@gmx.net>
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> What about SeaBIOS + CSM (based on DUET)?
That's not quite the same thing.
In EFI, CSM is a specification that defines how to port a legacy BIOS
such that it runs as basically an EFI module providing the old legacy
BIOS interfaces that OSes support. If you have a set of legacy option
roms and efi modules, it defines how all of those things interact with
each other to provide a consistent experience.
It's is not at all the same as just switching between EFI and BIOS.
It's much more tightly integrated than that.
> I can't speak for Patrick, but he probably was concerned about making
> EFI the default with BIOS as fallback instead of the other way round.
> Forcing any EFI capable (or semi-capable) OS to be booted with EFI
> instead of leaving the choice in the hand of the user (NVRAM) or picking
> the sane default (what almost all boards out there are doing) sounds
> like a non-sustainable way for Qemu.
>
Why? As long as it Just Works, I don't think it will ever even cross a
users mind.
>> We'll be stuck with legacy option roms for a long, long time. But I
>> also expect there will be a few devices out there that only provide
>> EFI modules.
>>
>
> I expect that it will be some time before we see such devices (maybe
> only at trade show demos if at all). It will start to get interesting
> once such EFI modules have to interact with classic option ROMs.
>
I think at the high end, we'll see these sooner than you think.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-05 13:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-29 23:54 [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0 Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 0:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30 2:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30 13:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30 5:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:37 ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:50 ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 6:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:13 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-03 10:04 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-05 12:43 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-05 13:52 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:31 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 8:53 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-09-30 9:01 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 9:31 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 13:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:59 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 19:25 ` Blue Swirl
2009-09-30 13:30 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 14:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:03 ` Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:26 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 19:28 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-01 1:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 8:07 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 21:02 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 4:38 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 5:37 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 22:33 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 12:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:10 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-01 21:23 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 0:41 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 16:58 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 18:45 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 18:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 21:39 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 22:28 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 23:05 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 0:32 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 17:30 ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 21:49 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 21:58 ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-04 19:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 19:39 ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-05 13:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 13:23 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-05 13:51 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-10-05 14:43 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 19:49 ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-05 13:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-03 22:02 ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 22:40 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 23:03 ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 23:52 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 15:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 17:32 ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 17:40 ` ron minnich
2009-10-03 18:16 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 18:30 ` Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 19:09 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-10-03 19:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 22:13 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 22:19 ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-03 23:04 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-04 19:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 4:10 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-04 11:16 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 16:06 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 0:29 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 22:46 ` Stefan Reinauer
[not found] ` <CB4CCBB6-0EE4-4883-AA4D-2151189C7977@claunia.com>
[not found] ` <2a50f7880910031701s52c901d8u2dfb956f595eeedf@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-04 3:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 14:08 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-10-02 20:57 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 21:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 22:19 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 4:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 20:50 ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 4:51 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 19:07 ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 20:21 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 18:45 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-01 19:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 19:18 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-03 4:28 ` TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-08 13:55 ` Jens Osterkamp
2009-10-08 14:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 21:10 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 22:53 ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0) Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 6:36 ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15 7:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Raw vs. tap Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 18:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 7:51 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0 Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-20 6:33 ` Takahiro Hirofuchi
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