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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Dustin Kirkland <kirkland@canonical.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:58:48 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF32E78.1040103@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AF3154F.8090901@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Helpers are really bad.  On launch, I find the fragile and hard to do 
> proper error handling with (but that's probably just me).  But the 
> real problem is at runtime, if you have a 16GB guest then you have to 
> write-protect 4M ptes and then kvm has to tear down or write protect 
> (not sure which mmu notifier is called) 4M shadow ptes.  Once that's 
> done, the guest will have to fault its way back; that's at least 4M 
> exits, around 10 seconds worth of cpu time to execute a couple of 
> syscalls.

If this is such an issue, then it's something that ought to be fixed in 
the kernel.  It's only really applicable to hotplug anyway as you 
wouldn't have faulted in the memory when initially launching the guest.

I know this has been discussed before, but isn't this why there are 
things like vfork()?  Instead of doing silly things into qemu, if there 
is concern about this, then it should be fixed in Linux properly.

> I'd much prefer a small daemon serving taps on a unix-domain socket.  
> Of course, management should talk to that daemon, not qemu.

I'd rather not have a program running with elevated privileges when it 
not needed.

-- 
Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-05 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-04  0:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Add basic version of bridge helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:38   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support toqemu-bridge-helper Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 14:37       ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-05 15:06   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] Add cap reduction support to enable use as SUID binary Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add support for -net bridge Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:49   ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:41   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:49       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:29       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 17:29   ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-07 22:11     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:27       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-08  8:43         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-08  8:55           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 15:39           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-09 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 19:19               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:23           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 12:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 14:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 15:02     ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 16:02       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 19:48   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 20:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 20:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  8:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:05           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 22:40 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  0:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  2:12     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  4:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05  8:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-06  2:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 11:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-06 20:26         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-08 11:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:36   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:46     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 14:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:41         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:51           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  1:53             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:50     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:02           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:28               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:37               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:45                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:20                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 17:42                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 18:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 19:58                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-11-06  1:48                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06  7:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 10:54                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 12:42                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  3:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 14:19                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:14                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:07                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 21:50                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-07 22:12                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:11                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:04                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  0:29                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  7:26                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 16:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:27                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 10:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 11:23                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 19:35                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:25                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 13:33                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 13:59                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:29         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:58         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:07           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:06       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:15         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:25           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:33             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:50               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                 ` Scott Tsai
2009-11-05 18:19                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:16                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 18:19                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:17                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:14       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:20         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:59         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:20           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:35               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:53                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 17:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  2:08                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 17:26                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                       ` Gerhard Stenzel
2009-11-06  2:11             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-11-05 15:14   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:28     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann

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